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It is amazing, how much engineering goes into these machines - everything is designed from scratch for this form factor. It is also nice to see that the SSD are

by _ph_ 5y ago

It is amazing, how much engineering goes into these machines - everything is designed from scratch for this form factor. It is also nice to see that the SSD are not soldered in place, though it isn't trivial to exchange them. The cooling solution for the CPU also seems to be great. However, it is pretty unforgivable that the cooling sucks in air from the bottom where it would pick up any dust on the table and might clog the electronics of the power supply. Especially as it is not possible to easily clean the internals of the machine. If just the aluminum housing of the machine could be easily removed, I would consider this machine a great design - but not so as it is. I wonder whether one should carefully apply some filter gaze around the air intakes to reduce dust intake into the machine.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
How would it suck up more dust from underneath than it would from the sides? I don't see a major difference with previous models or competing laptops. Also, desks and surfaces are usually cleaned.
- llampx 5y ago
  Dust collects on flat horizontal surfaces.
  - Y-bar 5y ago
    The front fan grille on my midi tower (Fractal Meshify) collects a lot of dust in its intake, I presume it is because any dust which would have fallen onto the desk in front of the computer instead gets pulled into it by the fans. From my point of view having the intake lower as the Mac Studio would not noticeable increase the dustiness.
  - thechao 5y ago
    Dust doesn't crawl on to a desk from the floor; it settles in from the air. If you're placing a new computer on to a previously dusty surface then, yes, you might see an initial spike in dust coming in. After that, I'd bet that the dominate source of dust is air.
    - wlesieutre 5y ago
      I think the difference there is that the Mac Studio will spend a lot of time with the fans at very low speed, and any dust that settles near the intake during that time will get sucked up later when the fans ramp up. If the intake were higher up the recently settled dust would stay on the desk and you'd only pull in airborne dust.
  - Tagbert 5y ago
    Once dust is on a surface will tend to cling to that surface unless it is wiped off or blown off by a significant airflow. A low speed airflow like a fan intake will probably not pickup much of that dust. Most of the dust will come in from the air in the room.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  Obviously, dust settles on flat horizontal surfaces, so having an air intake at the very bottom isn't optimal there. And yes, if the Mac stands in an office with daily cleaning, there might not be much dust, but still, if you run it for 5+ years, it will suck in a lot. If it is in a corner of a small desk with lots of other stuff and not daily cleaning - e.g. at home, there can be considerably more dust. My MB Pro started failing for thermal reasons after 5 years, fortunately, the local service partner could clean it for a tip. After that, the thermals of the machine were distinctively improved. Dust in the ventilation is just a matter of time, a machine should not fail because the user can't clean that dust.
  - olyjohn 5y ago
    I hate to break it to you, but there's not a PC / laptop on this planet that will not fill up with dust and eventually clog and die. You gotta keep your stuff clean. Blow it out with some compressed air cans every 6 months. It's not really that big of a deal. I've cleaned literally thousands of computers in my lifetime, they all get dirty, and if you don't clean them, they will all fail. Also, I think you are way overstating how dusty this will get. It's not going to be any worse than anything else built in the last 20 years.
  - no1lives4ever 5y ago
    I live in a fairly dusty environment that also gets quite hot in the summers. I have to clean my i9 16” MacBook Pro’s cpu fan and heatsink every 3-4 months or else the CPU starts throttling. The MacBook Pro is relatively easy to clean. You just need to know how to remove the bottom cover and the fan plus heating assembly is east to access. But it used to be much easier with the older models. This Mac studio’s design makes it very difficult to clean the heatsink and fan blades. Also the heatsink looks like it has lots of thin narrowly spaced fins, something that will get clogged up really fast in a moderately dusty environment.
Telemakhos 5y ago
I remember and miss the first Intel MacBooks, which came with an access panel for upgrading the hard drive and RAM, as well as an easily-swappable battery. Back then it felt like Apple was trying to make the best computer possible, not just a disposable consumer appliance.
- mushyhammer 5y ago
  > Apple was trying to make the best computer possible With the latest MacBook Pro it feels like they're back on the right track. Heck they dropped the magic bar. The issue with replaceable components is that they're often at odds with performance. If MacBook had user-replaceable batteries we simply would have less battery OR a thicker and heavier and more expensive computer. Literally you cannot have all. Memory/SSD sticks take more space and cost more than a soldered chip (and they earn Apple more money, shhh) It's a compromise though, I get it.
awiesenhofer 5y ago
It's funny, the first impulse I had when they presented it was that maybe it would look even better turned on its head - making the Mac Studio engraving visible. Could help with possible dust intake as well, maybe.
Tagbert 5y ago
Or maybe clean your desk? How much dust do you think comes from the desk surface vs the ambient air? The air is probably where most of the dust comes from.

by _ph_ 5y ago

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

How would it suck up more dust from underneath than it would from the sides? I don't see a major difference with previous models or competing laptops. Also, desks and surfaces are usually cleaned.

llampx 5y ago
Dust collects on flat horizontal surfaces.
- Y-bar 5y ago
  The front fan grille on my midi tower (Fractal Meshify) collects a lot of dust in its intake, I presume it is because any dust which would have fallen onto the desk in front of the computer instead gets pulled into it by the fans. From my point of view having the intake lower as the Mac Studio would not noticeable increase the dustiness.
- thechao 5y ago
  Dust doesn't crawl on to a desk from the floor; it settles in from the air. If you're placing a new computer on to a previously dusty surface then, yes, you might see an initial spike in dust coming in. After that, I'd bet that the dominate source of dust is air.
  - wlesieutre 5y ago
    I think the difference there is that the Mac Studio will spend a lot of time with the fans at very low speed, and any dust that settles near the intake during that time will get sucked up later when the fans ramp up. If the intake were higher up the recently settled dust would stay on the desk and you'd only pull in airborne dust.
- Tagbert 5y ago
  Once dust is on a surface will tend to cling to that surface unless it is wiped off or blown off by a significant airflow. A low speed airflow like a fan intake will probably not pickup much of that dust. Most of the dust will come in from the air in the room.
_ph_ 5y ago
Obviously, dust settles on flat horizontal surfaces, so having an air intake at the very bottom isn't optimal there. And yes, if the Mac stands in an office with daily cleaning, there might not be much dust, but still, if you run it for 5+ years, it will suck in a lot. If it is in a corner of a small desk with lots of other stuff and not daily cleaning - e.g. at home, there can be considerably more dust. My MB Pro started failing for thermal reasons after 5 years, fortunately, the local service partner could clean it for a tip. After that, the thermals of the machine were distinctively improved. Dust in the ventilation is just a matter of time, a machine should not fail because the user can't clean that dust.
- olyjohn 5y ago
  I hate to break it to you, but there's not a PC / laptop on this planet that will not fill up with dust and eventually clog and die. You gotta keep your stuff clean. Blow it out with some compressed air cans every 6 months. It's not really that big of a deal. I've cleaned literally thousands of computers in my lifetime, they all get dirty, and if you don't clean them, they will all fail. Also, I think you are way overstating how dusty this will get. It's not going to be any worse than anything else built in the last 20 years.
- no1lives4ever 5y ago
  I live in a fairly dusty environment that also gets quite hot in the summers. I have to clean my i9 16” MacBook Pro’s cpu fan and heatsink every 3-4 months or else the CPU starts throttling. The MacBook Pro is relatively easy to clean. You just need to know how to remove the bottom cover and the fan plus heating assembly is east to access. But it used to be much easier with the older models. This Mac studio’s design makes it very difficult to clean the heatsink and fan blades. Also the heatsink looks like it has lots of thin narrowly spaced fins, something that will get clogged up really fast in a moderately dusty environment.

Telemakhos 5y ago

I remember and miss the first Intel MacBooks, which came with an access panel for upgrading the hard drive and RAM, as well as an easily-swappable battery. Back then it felt like Apple was trying to make the best computer possible, not just a disposable consumer appliance.

mushyhammer 5y ago
> Apple was trying to make the best computer possible With the latest MacBook Pro it feels like they're back on the right track. Heck they dropped the magic bar. The issue with replaceable components is that they're often at odds with performance. If MacBook had user-replaceable batteries we simply would have less battery OR a thicker and heavier and more expensive computer. Literally you cannot have all. Memory/SSD sticks take more space and cost more than a soldered chip (and they earn Apple more money, shhh) It's a compromise though, I get it.

awiesenhofer 5y ago

It's funny, the first impulse I had when they presented it was that maybe it would look even better turned on its head - making the Mac Studio engraving visible. Could help with possible dust intake as well, maybe.

Tagbert 5y ago

Or maybe clean your desk? How much dust do you think comes from the desk surface vs the ambient air? The air is probably where most of the dust comes from.