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I tried to use Wayland, but simply speaking the way it handles/supersedes earlier input mechanisms - which some seem to call a form of security theatre - is dis

I tried to use Wayland, but simply speaking the way it handles/supersedes earlier input mechanisms - which some seem to call a form of security theatre - is disruptive. For instance, I have bound keyboard shortcuts to manage windows via `wmctrl`. It's absolutely crucial to my workflow, since I use an ultrawide monitor. wmctrl is mostly impossible with Wayland, and which required me to revert back to X11. Certain apps also sometimes do not work in X11 (e.g. Ubuntu's Software Center, for reasons lost to me), which then forces me to use Wayland. I've noted a couple of other grievances, so I do not agree that Wayland is absolutely a good thing for now (at least for me).

dathinab 5y ago
wmctrl is X11 specific (it says so itself in it's man page) so it obviously wont work. (Through yes some X11-specific programs did got wayland support.) But all(? at least most) of it's functionality is still supported at least on sway.
- oauea 5y ago
  > But all(? at least most) of it's functionality is still supported at least on sway. This thread is about gnome and wayland. Sway implements a bunch of extra stuff because wayland itself is unusable. See https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots
  - dathinab 5y ago
    The thread has pretty much devolved into a Wayland discussion. And I'm pretty sure there are ways to do so too on Gnome (but idk.). Sure what is missing is a standardized interface to do so. But that could still be added as another Wayland protocol, or through desktop-portal or similar. Just people need to care enough to add such an protocol.
KSPAtlas 5y ago
Try Wayfire, its compiz for Wayland
xdfgh1112 5y ago
I also use keyboard shortcuts to tile windows, but I do it using compiz
kaba0 5y ago
Being somewhat sarcastic, but Ubuntu’s software center doesn’t work anywhere.
ykonstant 5y ago
Me too; I have many scripts employing wmctrl both for work and for fun. Some time ago I posted the following on unixporn (the first two minutes are relevant): https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/ek3cyc/cinnamon_soft_mood_and_latex_workflow/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/ek3cyc/cinnamon_s... The first two minutes of this were done automatically in Cinnamon using a couple of bash scripts and lots of wmctrl and xdotool; does anyone know if this can be done in a simple manner in Wayland?
- wing-_-nuts 5y ago
  fyi there's a tiling plugin for gnome that was also highly regarded on r/unixporn. I know popOS (sys 76's ubuntu distro) also has good support for tiling out of the box. I often wonder where people get the energy to fiddle with things like this. When I was a student with plenty of time on my hands, I used to tinker a lot. Now I'm older and I just want something that 'works', gets out of my way and let's me get to coding. I only invest time into things that have an immediate improvement on my workflow. If I had a large 4k display I might invest some time on tiling but for now simple L/R splits work fine for me.

dathinab 5y ago

wmctrl is X11 specific (it says so itself in it's man page) so it obviously wont work. (Through yes some X11-specific programs did got wayland support.) But all(? at least most) of it's functionality is still supported at least on sway.

oauea 5y ago
> But all(? at least most) of it's functionality is still supported at least on sway. This thread is about gnome and wayland. Sway implements a bunch of extra stuff because wayland itself is unusable. See https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots
- dathinab 5y ago
  The thread has pretty much devolved into a Wayland discussion. And I'm pretty sure there are ways to do so too on Gnome (but idk.). Sure what is missing is a standardized interface to do so. But that could still be added as another Wayland protocol, or through desktop-portal or similar. Just people need to care enough to add such an protocol.

KSPAtlas 5y ago

Try Wayfire, its compiz for Wayland

xdfgh1112 5y ago

I also use keyboard shortcuts to tile windows, but I do it using compiz

kaba0 5y ago

Being somewhat sarcastic, but Ubuntu’s software center doesn’t work anywhere.

ykonstant 5y ago

Me too; I have many scripts employing wmctrl both for work and for fun. Some time ago I posted the following on unixporn (the first two minutes are relevant): https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/ek3cyc/cinnamon_soft_mood_and_latex_workflow/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/ek3cyc/cinnamon_s... The first two minutes of this were done automatically in Cinnamon using a couple of bash scripts and lots of wmctrl and xdotool; does anyone know if this can be done in a simple manner in Wayland?

wing-_-nuts 5y ago
fyi there's a tiling plugin for gnome that was also highly regarded on r/unixporn. I know popOS (sys 76's ubuntu distro) also has good support for tiling out of the box. I often wonder where people get the energy to fiddle with things like this. When I was a student with plenty of time on my hands, I used to tinker a lot. Now I'm older and I just want something that 'works', gets out of my way and let's me get to coding. I only invest time into things that have an immediate improvement on my workflow. If I had a large 4k display I might invest some time on tiling but for now simple L/R splits work fine for me.