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I recently tested the gnome-shell in Fedora 15 for the first time. This is my showstopper list: 1. Application oriented 2. Alt+tab sucks (mostly because of

by silon3 15y ago

I recently tested the gnome-shell in Fedora 15 for the first time. This is my showstopper list: 1. Application oriented 2. Alt+tab sucks (mostly because of #1) 3. Terminal doesn't open new window by sefault. 4. Terminal is single-process (see #1) 5. Can't use other window manager. 6. Sometimes slow Now using XFCE. Will see how many of these got fixed with the new version.

darkduck 15y ago
Fedora 15 has Gnome 3.0 Fedora 16 will have Gnome 3.2 Here are my findings of Fedora 15 with Gnome 3: http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/05/fedora-15-with-gnome-3-better-than.html http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/05/fedora-15-with-gnome-3...
eitland 15y ago
Sounds like a free version of Mac OS X to me. (Fanboy downvote protection: I'm on my third year using a Mac. I love mag-safe. I love how it is usable out-of-the-box. I love the screen, the backlit keyboard. List goes on. I was happy to see * window resizing by any border and a * decent attempt at fixing fullscreen and virtual desktops in Lion this year. For next update I'm hoping for Apple to introduce a * "super-intuitive CMD-Tab that will let you switch through all you *windows* in the order the were last used" and * "Menus now follow your windows" so there's less need to move across a laptop screen and a full Cinema Display to find the menu. Sounds familiar btw. A sad thing Gnome keeps copying not only the good stuff but also the super annoying.)
- randallsquared 15y ago
  "Menus now follow your windows" so there's less need to move across a laptop screen and a full Cinema Display to find the menu. Maybe you're looking for SecondBar: http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=79 http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=79 ?
- sirn 15y ago
  * "super-intuitive CMD-Tab that will let you switch through all you *windows* in the order the were last used" and Ugh! Please no! Switching between application rather than window is my main reason of switching to Mac back in PowerPC days. You may love Witch[1] though. Or a good-ol' Ctrl+(fn)+F4. [1] http://manytricks.com/witch/ http://manytricks.com/witch/
  - aklemm 15y ago
    No idea why someone would prefer app switching, but the info in your post proves you're an awesome person! I've looked all over for a window switching solution and never found ctl+fn+f4. Ahhh, much better.
- generalk 15y ago
  > decent attempt at fixing fullscreen and virtual desktops in Lion this year. I'm confused, because I found both of these things to be horrendous. Not trying to flame or troll or anything, just curious. I liked the Spaces implementation in Snow Leopard. It had faults, but I could define a NxM grid of virtual desktops and rely on them always being there. In Lion I get a horizontal strip of N + (Number of Fullscreen Apps), no exceptions. Which brings me to my next point: Fullscreen is entirely broken. There are two cases where I used fullscreen before, and Lion broke them both: 1. Fullscreen terminal windows. I don't want a logical "Space" for that, I just want a terminal that's the full width and height of my display, then I can Cmd+Tab to other windows (browser, etc) to bring them forward or back as necessary. Thankfully iTerm 2 lets me restore pre-Lion functionality here. 2. Video. I frequently fullscreen a video on my laptop display while working on a second display, and tell Quicktime to display on every desktop. In Lion, if I fullscreen Quicktime, it blanks my second display (seriously who thought this was a good plan?) and moves itself to its own space. VLC kind of covers for me here. I'm just curious what you like about spaces and fullscreen in Lion, because I'm having difficulty thinking of anything good about them.
- skept 15y ago
  On OSX you can use Cmd+` to switch between the windows of the active app. The Cmd+Tab behavior on OSX was annoying to me too when I first started using a Mac but now that I'm used to the Cmd+Tab and Cmd+` combo I actually prefer it to the way Alt+Tab works in Windows.
nodata 15y ago
> 2. Alt+tab sucks (mostly because of #1) Try alt+esc instead. alt+tab will cycle between apps, alt+thingAboveTab will cycle between windows belong to the current app. > 3. Terminal doesn't open new window by sefault. True. But ctrl+click on Terminal will open a new Terminal for you.
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gcb 15y ago
You completely miss the point. You can configure those in the usual place. With unity you can't. Also, paid advertisement. I only see ppl going to debian from Ubuntu
- hvs 15y ago
  I like Debian and run it on my servers, but it isn't really for desktop users that want to run the latest and greatest software. Now, Linux Mint is a viable alternative to Ubuntu users who prefer Gnome 2: http://www.linuxmint.com/ http://www.linuxmint.com/
  - sciurus 15y ago
    Aside from the freeze while they're polishing a new stable release, debian testing isn't a bad way to run the "latest and greatest" on your desktop. Hopefully the "constantly usable testing" idea will gain traction and make it even better. https://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ https://lwn.net/Articles/406301/
  - gcb 15y ago
    I rather the almost-latest but stablest, but thank you :) just moved from ubuntu because of unity on all my computers except my netbook (never used gnome there anyway), and i'm not missing anything.

by silon3 15y ago

darkduck 15y ago

Fedora 15 has Gnome 3.0 Fedora 16 will have Gnome 3.2 Here are my findings of Fedora 15 with Gnome 3: http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/05/fedora-15-with-gnome-3-better-than.html http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/05/fedora-15-with-gnome-3...

eitland 15y ago

Sounds like a free version of Mac OS X to me. (Fanboy downvote protection: I'm on my third year using a Mac. I love mag-safe. I love how it is usable out-of-the-box. I love the screen, the backlit keyboard. List goes on. I was happy to see * window resizing by any border and a * decent attempt at fixing fullscreen and virtual desktops in Lion this year. For next update I'm hoping for Apple to introduce a * "super-intuitive CMD-Tab that will let you switch through all you *windows* in the order the were last used" and * "Menus now follow your windows" so there's less need to move across a laptop screen and a full Cinema Display to find the menu. Sounds familiar btw. A sad thing Gnome keeps copying not only the good stuff but also the super annoying.)

randallsquared 15y ago
"Menus now follow your windows" so there's less need to move across a laptop screen and a full Cinema Display to find the menu. Maybe you're looking for SecondBar: http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=79 http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=79 ?
sirn 15y ago
* "super-intuitive CMD-Tab that will let you switch through all you *windows* in the order the were last used" and Ugh! Please no! Switching between application rather than window is my main reason of switching to Mac back in PowerPC days. You may love Witch[1] though. Or a good-ol' Ctrl+(fn)+F4. [1] http://manytricks.com/witch/ http://manytricks.com/witch/
- aklemm 15y ago
  No idea why someone would prefer app switching, but the info in your post proves you're an awesome person! I've looked all over for a window switching solution and never found ctl+fn+f4. Ahhh, much better.
generalk 15y ago
> decent attempt at fixing fullscreen and virtual desktops in Lion this year. I'm confused, because I found both of these things to be horrendous. Not trying to flame or troll or anything, just curious. I liked the Spaces implementation in Snow Leopard. It had faults, but I could define a NxM grid of virtual desktops and rely on them always being there. In Lion I get a horizontal strip of N + (Number of Fullscreen Apps), no exceptions. Which brings me to my next point: Fullscreen is entirely broken. There are two cases where I used fullscreen before, and Lion broke them both: 1. Fullscreen terminal windows. I don't want a logical "Space" for that, I just want a terminal that's the full width and height of my display, then I can Cmd+Tab to other windows (browser, etc) to bring them forward or back as necessary. Thankfully iTerm 2 lets me restore pre-Lion functionality here. 2. Video. I frequently fullscreen a video on my laptop display while working on a second display, and tell Quicktime to display on every desktop. In Lion, if I fullscreen Quicktime, it blanks my second display (seriously who thought this was a good plan?) and moves itself to its own space. VLC kind of covers for me here. I'm just curious what you like about spaces and fullscreen in Lion, because I'm having difficulty thinking of anything good about them.
skept 15y ago
On OSX you can use Cmd+` to switch between the windows of the active app. The Cmd+Tab behavior on OSX was annoying to me too when I first started using a Mac but now that I'm used to the Cmd+Tab and Cmd+` combo I actually prefer it to the way Alt+Tab works in Windows.

nodata 15y ago

> 2. Alt+tab sucks (mostly because of #1) Try alt+esc instead. alt+tab will cycle between apps, alt+thingAboveTab will cycle between windows belong to the current app. > 3. Terminal doesn't open new window by sefault. True. But ctrl+click on Terminal will open a new Terminal for you.

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gcb 15y ago

You completely miss the point. You can configure those in the usual place. With unity you can't. Also, paid advertisement. I only see ppl going to debian from Ubuntu

hvs 15y ago
I like Debian and run it on my servers, but it isn't really for desktop users that want to run the latest and greatest software. Now, Linux Mint is a viable alternative to Ubuntu users who prefer Gnome 2: http://www.linuxmint.com/ http://www.linuxmint.com/
- sciurus 15y ago
  Aside from the freeze while they're polishing a new stable release, debian testing isn't a bad way to run the "latest and greatest" on your desktop. Hopefully the "constantly usable testing" idea will gain traction and make it even better. https://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ https://lwn.net/Articles/406301/
- gcb 15y ago
  I rather the almost-latest but stablest, but thank you :) just moved from ubuntu because of unity on all my computers except my netbook (never used gnome there anyway), and i'm not missing anything.