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I see your point but maybe the reactions are because most of these efforts feel half baked? For example they are forcing teams on users, which I use as a daily

I see your point but maybe the reactions are because most of these efforts feel half baked? For example they are forcing teams on users, which I use as a daily driver at my work and I feel that it's the worst piece of software I have to use. On top of that the way things are integrated always looks and feels forced. Like going into lengths to hide control panel in windows 10 even if it's still there and while the settings app which replaces it only has a fraction of the functionality.

Gigachad 5y ago
I agree it’s an implementation issue. Windows always feels like annoying nagware while macOS and iOS largely get out of your way. Teams would pop up with a window on every boot to annoy you while FaceTime just sits in the background. But the power users on this site would rather we have some kind of advanced configuration page where every single feature of windows should be opt in. While simultaneously praising the Apple “just works” system.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  > While simultaneously praising the Apple “just works” system. Because included into that "just works" system is just leaves you alone. Maybe if the "helpful" Windows feature wouldn't nag all the time, as you put it, the power users wouldn't complain about it and look for ways to turn it off. I've been using a Mac for more than 10 years now without an iCloud account. It asked me once whether I wanted one, when I bought the computer new, I said no, and it's left me alone ever since. And I went through I don't know how many "major" upgrades. Windows bugs me all the time. So there's really no reason for me to complain about FaceTime, or whatever. I don't even know it's there if I don't go looking for it specifically. Whereas Windows, it's in my face, all the time. So there's a direct benefit for me to look for ways to shut that crap down. Maybe, just maybe, if Teams isn't installed it will shut up and leave me be. At least until the next update brings it back...
- ljm 5y ago
  Edge is arguably the worst one here. Change your default from Safari on MacOS and it'll never bother you again, and anything that would have previously opened in Safari will open in the new browser. There's practically no easy way to get rid of Edge or silence it; not only is it forced down your throat, there's active investment in trying to prevent you from switching to something else. It doesn't excuse the constant nagging from OneDrive and Teams but, at least for now, they're not detecting that you're on Slack/Discord/Dropbox and trying to force you to switch.
vladvasiliu 5y ago
Absolutely. And everything is extremely confusing, even for "tech workers", which I am. The other day, I installed Win 11 on a work computer to give it a try. I figured since it's gonna be domain joined and whatnot anyway, might as well go all in. So when it asked for an account, I plug in my Office 365 account, and got all kinds of weird errors, such as wrong password, etc. In the end I gave up and created a regular account. Now it asks whether I'm sure I don't want an MS account, 'cause it's so much greater. Right. Except it doesn't work... Then I try adding the account manually in "accounts". Same issue... In the end, I managed to add the account via OneDrive, which installed a separate OneDrive. But at least it did it on its own, no intervention needed. But I do have two "one drive" folders in the explorer for some reason, and I can't remove any of them [0]. I don't remember iCloud showing up multiple times in Finder. Later, I find there's Teams preload. Good, let me just log in. Strange, I added the account, said it was OK for other apps to use, but it still wants me log in. I type in my credentials, and the odd account errors are back. Turns out, that's the wrong Teams! It's teams for the plebs, apparently I needed Teams "pro" or something. At least, Skype had a somewhat different name, as in "Skype for business" vs "just skype". --- [0] Yes, I know it's possible to change the "shortcuts" or whatever they're called from the registry, but the point is that it's half-baked, it tries to be "helpful" but it's actually a hassle. If I don't want iCloud in the Finder, I can just pull it out of the sidebar. And it stays that way, as opposed to the Explorer shortcuts which have a tendency to come back after updates.
- thereddaikon 5y ago
  The separation of Onedrive and Teams into plebs and business versions is asinine. Why cant both types of accounts use the same application?

Gigachad 5y ago

I agree it’s an implementation issue. Windows always feels like annoying nagware while macOS and iOS largely get out of your way. Teams would pop up with a window on every boot to annoy you while FaceTime just sits in the background. But the power users on this site would rather we have some kind of advanced configuration page where every single feature of windows should be opt in. While simultaneously praising the Apple “just works” system.

vladvasiliu 5y ago
> While simultaneously praising the Apple “just works” system. Because included into that "just works" system is just leaves you alone. Maybe if the "helpful" Windows feature wouldn't nag all the time, as you put it, the power users wouldn't complain about it and look for ways to turn it off. I've been using a Mac for more than 10 years now without an iCloud account. It asked me once whether I wanted one, when I bought the computer new, I said no, and it's left me alone ever since. And I went through I don't know how many "major" upgrades. Windows bugs me all the time. So there's really no reason for me to complain about FaceTime, or whatever. I don't even know it's there if I don't go looking for it specifically. Whereas Windows, it's in my face, all the time. So there's a direct benefit for me to look for ways to shut that crap down. Maybe, just maybe, if Teams isn't installed it will shut up and leave me be. At least until the next update brings it back...
ljm 5y ago
Edge is arguably the worst one here. Change your default from Safari on MacOS and it'll never bother you again, and anything that would have previously opened in Safari will open in the new browser. There's practically no easy way to get rid of Edge or silence it; not only is it forced down your throat, there's active investment in trying to prevent you from switching to something else. It doesn't excuse the constant nagging from OneDrive and Teams but, at least for now, they're not detecting that you're on Slack/Discord/Dropbox and trying to force you to switch.

vladvasiliu 5y ago

Absolutely. And everything is extremely confusing, even for "tech workers", which I am. The other day, I installed Win 11 on a work computer to give it a try. I figured since it's gonna be domain joined and whatnot anyway, might as well go all in. So when it asked for an account, I plug in my Office 365 account, and got all kinds of weird errors, such as wrong password, etc. In the end I gave up and created a regular account. Now it asks whether I'm sure I don't want an MS account, 'cause it's so much greater. Right. Except it doesn't work... Then I try adding the account manually in "accounts". Same issue... In the end, I managed to add the account via OneDrive, which installed a separate OneDrive. But at least it did it on its own, no intervention needed. But I do have two "one drive" folders in the explorer for some reason, and I can't remove any of them [0]. I don't remember iCloud showing up multiple times in Finder. Later, I find there's Teams preload. Good, let me just log in. Strange, I added the account, said it was OK for other apps to use, but it still wants me log in. I type in my credentials, and the odd account errors are back. Turns out, that's the wrong Teams! It's teams for the plebs, apparently I needed Teams "pro" or something. At least, Skype had a somewhat different name, as in "Skype for business" vs "just skype". --- [0] Yes, I know it's possible to change the "shortcuts" or whatever they're called from the registry, but the point is that it's half-baked, it tries to be "helpful" but it's actually a hassle. If I don't want iCloud in the Finder, I can just pull it out of the sidebar. And it stays that way, as opposed to the Explorer shortcuts which have a tendency to come back after updates.

thereddaikon 5y ago
The separation of Onedrive and Teams into plebs and business versions is asinine. Why cant both types of accounts use the same application?