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That misguided notion of product features and integration, where the user has minimum role, started out at Apple. The standard pattern used to be talking to OEM
by srvmshr 5y ago
That misguided notion of product features and integration, where the user has minimum role, started out at Apple. The standard pattern used to be talking to OEMs and discussing what users wanted from them. That review phase generated update ideas for next release and so on. Apple turned that question on its head and made it "the one last thing" show business.
We have employed a generation of PMs now who idolize Steve Jobs' mantra: "Users dont know what they want until you show it to them".
EDIT: We does not mean I am employed by Apple. It signifies the general trend for companies to enable product development by PMs
- devmunchies 5y ago> We have employed a generation of PMs now who idolize Steve Jobs' mantra: "Users dont know what they want until you show it to them". just because a bunch of dumb PMs are pushing hot garbage to the user doesn't mean that statement is false. There almost always IS a way to improve and innovate a user experience—a new experience that the user hasn't thought of before. Its just that the PM incentives aren't aligned with the users these days.
- srvmshr 5y agoThat is a good observation. The whole GTalk-Hangout-Chat saga at Google is testament to that misguided ideology.
- thereddaikon 5y agoAgreed. I think it was Henry Ford who said that if he had asked customers what they wanted, they would have told him a better horse. Innovation is the act of giving the users something they didn't know what they want. But that's not what these anti-user dark patterns are. They are the end result PMs trying to hit their KPIs by any means necessary. And those happen to not track things like users satisfaction and trust.
- astrange 5y agoNote that Apple doesn’t have PMs.