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I don't think that's true anymore. Gnome with two tweaks (put the min/max buttons back on the window header and move the main menu to the bottom of the screen

I don't think that's true anymore. Gnome with two tweaks (put the min/max buttons back on the window header and move the main menu to the bottom of the screen so it works like the old win 10 task bar) and it's streets ahead of Windows 11. It's a great blessing in disguise when Microsoft decide your old laptop won't support Windows 11.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
Gnome has very excessive window borders though. They're so big they seem to be sized for touch, very wasteful when you don't have a touchscreen. And it has even less configurability than Windows.. Add-ons don't count because they often break.
- smackeyacky 5y ago
  I don't mind the big borders, although most of the time I'm using dual 2k screens. The borders don't seem that much bigger than the ones in Windows 10. As for the extensions, I've been enabling those via extensions.gnome.org and have no problems so far on Buster or Bullseye. This is the one that makes Gnome useable for me: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/
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  - lproven 5y ago
    Dash-to-panel helps, but it doesn't go far enough for me. It doesn't work well in vertical orientations: for instance, status icons should be arranged in horizontal rows. In a single column they take up far too much space. Cinnamon suffers from the same problem, FWIW.
bobbylarrybobby 5y ago
Wait, is streets ahead a real saying? I thought Pierce on Community invented it.
- smackeyacky 5y ago
  Dunno - I never watched community but I can't remember where I picked it up. Might be a commonwealth thing. edit: google says "british". In fairly common use in Australia.
- Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
  Very common in British English.
- groovy2shoes 5y ago
  If you have to ask, you're streets behind.
dehrmann 5y ago
The article mentioned all the UI generations you can find in Windows. Linux is even worse. Once you leave the menus your desktop environment provides, it becomes a design free for all. Sometimes you'll see UI styles from another environment (run Kompare in Gnome), sometimes you get ancient X UIs.
- goosedragons 5y ago
  If GNOME bundled Kompare or other KDE programs you might have a point. You wouldn't blame Apple for the look of LibreOffice on macOS so why blame GNOME for the non-GNOME programs?
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    The GP wasn't blaming Gnome, they were complaining about the Linux GUI desktop in general. Running a KDE app on Gnome was just an example; they could just as well have mentioned the opposite and still not be "complaining about KDE ".
- schmuelio 5y ago
  I get your point and I'd raise you the suite of Microsoft products: - Word, PowerPoint, Excel, all one style - Teams, different style - Notepad, different style - Paint, different style That's just within the MS ecosystem, leave that ecosystem and you rapidly find the same style mess that you get on Linux. It's basically due to the many different GUI frameworks, not the OS itself, hell MS supplies a whole list of frameworks that look different from each other. Even MacOS/iOS which are _really_ good at having a cohesive UI style suffer from this problem. I'd argue that if this is a valid complaint with Linux DEs (be it GNOME/KDE/what have you) then it's an equally valid complaint for Windows.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

Gnome has very excessive window borders though. They're so big they seem to be sized for touch, very wasteful when you don't have a touchscreen. And it has even less configurability than Windows.. Add-ons don't count because they often break.

smackeyacky 5y ago
I don't mind the big borders, although most of the time I'm using dual 2k screens. The borders don't seem that much bigger than the ones in Windows 10. As for the extensions, I've been enabling those via extensions.gnome.org and have no problems so far on Buster or Bullseye. This is the one that makes Gnome useable for me: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/
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- lproven 5y ago
  Dash-to-panel helps, but it doesn't go far enough for me. It doesn't work well in vertical orientations: for instance, status icons should be arranged in horizontal rows. In a single column they take up far too much space. Cinnamon suffers from the same problem, FWIW.

bobbylarrybobby 5y ago

Wait, is streets ahead a real saying? I thought Pierce on Community invented it.

smackeyacky 5y ago
Dunno - I never watched community but I can't remember where I picked it up. Might be a commonwealth thing. edit: google says "british". In fairly common use in Australia.
Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
Very common in British English.
groovy2shoes 5y ago
If you have to ask, you're streets behind.

dehrmann 5y ago

The article mentioned all the UI generations you can find in Windows. Linux is even worse. Once you leave the menus your desktop environment provides, it becomes a design free for all. Sometimes you'll see UI styles from another environment (run Kompare in Gnome), sometimes you get ancient X UIs.

goosedragons 5y ago
If GNOME bundled Kompare or other KDE programs you might have a point. You wouldn't blame Apple for the look of LibreOffice on macOS so why blame GNOME for the non-GNOME programs?
- CRConrad 5y ago
  The GP wasn't blaming Gnome, they were complaining about the Linux GUI desktop in general. Running a KDE app on Gnome was just an example; they could just as well have mentioned the opposite and still not be "complaining about KDE ".
schmuelio 5y ago
I get your point and I'd raise you the suite of Microsoft products: - Word, PowerPoint, Excel, all one style - Teams, different style - Notepad, different style - Paint, different style That's just within the MS ecosystem, leave that ecosystem and you rapidly find the same style mess that you get on Linux. It's basically due to the many different GUI frameworks, not the OS itself, hell MS supplies a whole list of frameworks that look different from each other. Even MacOS/iOS which are _really_ good at having a cohesive UI style suffer from this problem. I'd argue that if this is a valid complaint with Linux DEs (be it GNOME/KDE/what have you) then it's an equally valid complaint for Windows.