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> You'd rather 10 children be [re-]victimised than 1 person falls under suspicion? Ok... Well yeah, mostly because I don't understand what you mean be "revicti

by creata 5y ago

> You'd rather 10 children be [re-]victimised than 1 person falls under suspicion? Ok... Well yeah, mostly because I don't understand what you mean be "revictimization", but I can easily imagine what it's like to have such suspicions leaked to the angry mob.

account-5 5y ago
I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about it. How about we pivot to intimate image abuse (revenge porn). The argument is the same. The victims are re-victimised every time their intimate images are shared, for the victims it's always the same stress, shame, embarrassment, etc. However apparently the damage is already done so there's actually no issues according to the other user so what's all the fuss about...
- creata 5y ago
  > I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about it. I guess the difficult bit for me is that you talk about throwing victims under the bus, and letting them be "victimized" all over again, but I just don't understand how this solution helps victims at all. Here's the example in my head: imagine you're a victim of revenge porn. The police, using technology like the stuff Apple has developed, catch one random guy (out of hundreds or thousands more) in possession of this porn. The police probably won't tell you that they caught this guy. How does this event help you? > there's actually no issues It's not that there are no issues: the distribution of CSAM (and of revenge porn) are terrible crimes, and iirc they're increasing in prevalence. I just think that Apple's solution doesn't help victims, and seriously discomforts millions of people. As you've seen, many people do see this as privacy invasion. The feeling that folks somewhere far away might be able to see your photos (even low resolution thumbnails) without your knowledge isn't a good feeling to inflict on the world. And the feeling that your phone could report you to the police at any time isn't a good feeling either, even if you know you've done nothing wrong.
  - account-5 5y ago
    Maybe I should have been clearer, I'm not in support of this "solution" but rather more put off by the counter arguments that CSAM is gonna happen anyway there's no point in even trying to stop it. Or ignoring the victims of this disgusting crime. I'm simply trying to voice their side of this story, to put their perspective. I obviously can't comment on what the police will or won't do on victims behalf. I value privacy above most things, for example you'll not find me on any social media platforms and the ones you do don't link together. If these people valued their privacy that much they'd not be using Apple devices and services in the first place is my thinking. I'm pretty sure Apple have full access to anything in iCloud which for most users is where all their stuff sits, where's the expectation of privacy?

by creata 5y ago

account-5 5y ago

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about it. How about we pivot to intimate image abuse (revenge porn). The argument is the same. The victims are re-victimised every time their intimate images are shared, for the victims it's always the same stress, shame, embarrassment, etc. However apparently the damage is already done so there's actually no issues according to the other user so what's all the fuss about...

creata 5y ago
> I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about it. I guess the difficult bit for me is that you talk about throwing victims under the bus, and letting them be "victimized" all over again, but I just don't understand how this solution helps victims at all. Here's the example in my head: imagine you're a victim of revenge porn. The police, using technology like the stuff Apple has developed, catch one random guy (out of hundreds or thousands more) in possession of this porn. The police probably won't tell you that they caught this guy. How does this event help you? > there's actually no issues It's not that there are no issues: the distribution of CSAM (and of revenge porn) are terrible crimes, and iirc they're increasing in prevalence. I just think that Apple's solution doesn't help victims, and seriously discomforts millions of people. As you've seen, many people do see this as privacy invasion. The feeling that folks somewhere far away might be able to see your photos (even low resolution thumbnails) without your knowledge isn't a good feeling to inflict on the world. And the feeling that your phone could report you to the police at any time isn't a good feeling either, even if you know you've done nothing wrong.
- account-5 5y ago
  Maybe I should have been clearer, I'm not in support of this "solution" but rather more put off by the counter arguments that CSAM is gonna happen anyway there's no point in even trying to stop it. Or ignoring the victims of this disgusting crime. I'm simply trying to voice their side of this story, to put their perspective. I obviously can't comment on what the police will or won't do on victims behalf. I value privacy above most things, for example you'll not find me on any social media platforms and the ones you do don't link together. If these people valued their privacy that much they'd not be using Apple devices and services in the first place is my thinking. I'm pretty sure Apple have full access to anything in iCloud which for most users is where all their stuff sits, where's the expectation of privacy?