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It's not (just) college. Even if you do make it past college, hitting what older generations would consider typical markers of adulthood (having your own place,

It's not (just) college. Even if you do make it past college, hitting what older generations would consider typical markers of adulthood (having your own place, a good job, a stable relationship, a family, etc.) are all delayed and/or more difficult to achieve. Meanwhile many jobs are trying to sell themselves not through a TC that would let one hit these markers, but through football tables, pizza parties, drinks and other social outings. Not to hate on fun activities, but it sure does feel like trying to keep young adults in a perpetual student lifestyle when you keep the booze but not give them the wage to advance in life. There are plenty of young adults who want to grow up, meeting a ridiculous amount of resistance.

WalterBright 5y ago
When I was a teen, teenagers had after school jobs. McDonald's, stores, etc., were populated with teen workers at minimum wage. Today those jobs are held by adults, expecting to be able to raise a family on it. Teenagers rarely have jobs, their first job waits until after they graduate from college.
- BlargMcLarg 5y ago
  Cherry on top: once they graduate, they are met with "entry-level jobs" asking for years of experience, giant requirements lists and an overall predatory environment, only to be reinforced that failure is a personal fault and not one of the system.
  - dijonman2 5y ago
    Personal responsibility is a good thing. People need to fail, this is one of the few ways to see critical feedback that fosters growth.
    - BlargMcLarg 5y ago
      Ironic considering this is the market where feedback has been gradually taken away to the point of being so vague it is effectively useless, if there is any. Because ghosting and poor one-liners are more cost-effective. Let's not cover up bad systems because a few individuals rise to the artificial challenge and bite through.
- tcmart14 5y ago
  And adults have always occupied those jobs too. How else did you get McDonalds Breakfast 30 years ago on a Wednesday at 8 AM in October going into the office?
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    Are you sure? I don't ever remember an adult behind the counter in those days. 18 and 19 year-olds are still teens.
    - tcmart14 5y ago
      And they are also considered legally adults, are they not? I remember at 18 signing up for 5 years in the Navy. I'd say that is pretty adult. If it isn't, you should consider contacting your senator about raising the age of enlistment.
      - WalterBright 5y ago
        Legally adult, yes. They're still commonly regarded as kids, though, despite being eligible for the military. Note the drinking age is 21. The ones that do sign up, though, grow up fast.
        tcmart14 5y ago
        > Note the drinking age is 21. All the more reason to contact your Senator. Lower the drinking age or make the age of enlistment higher. Adult enough to decide to become a sacrificial pawn, but not adult enough to drink a beer.
        WalterBright 5y ago
        Kinda changing the subject.
- sarchertech 5y ago
  Based on my experience, the primary reason high school kids had jobs was to buy a car. For various reasons (safety regulation, emissions requirements, minimum wage not keeping up with inflation, insurance outpacing inflation, cash for clunkers etc…) it’s now almost impossible to afford a car working a few hours at McDonald’s. There’s also far more fast food restaurants per capita than there used to be, and food service/retail make up a larger part of the economy in general. To top it off, the age of the average American has increased almost 10 years since 1960, so there are just fewer kids to do the jobs.
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    I still regret not buying that '68 Chevelle Super Sport for $600 when I was in h.s. That thing was a rocket with that giant V8 and very little car. I did wind up with a 67 289 Mustang. It was an automatic, and my buddy & I converted it to a 4 speed because muscle cars with automatics were for weeners. We sure had fun shredding tires with it. I was lucky to survive the accident that terminated it.

WalterBright 5y ago

When I was a teen, teenagers had after school jobs. McDonald's, stores, etc., were populated with teen workers at minimum wage. Today those jobs are held by adults, expecting to be able to raise a family on it. Teenagers rarely have jobs, their first job waits until after they graduate from college.

BlargMcLarg 5y ago
Cherry on top: once they graduate, they are met with "entry-level jobs" asking for years of experience, giant requirements lists and an overall predatory environment, only to be reinforced that failure is a personal fault and not one of the system.
- dijonman2 5y ago
  Personal responsibility is a good thing. People need to fail, this is one of the few ways to see critical feedback that fosters growth.
  - BlargMcLarg 5y ago
    Ironic considering this is the market where feedback has been gradually taken away to the point of being so vague it is effectively useless, if there is any. Because ghosting and poor one-liners are more cost-effective. Let's not cover up bad systems because a few individuals rise to the artificial challenge and bite through.
tcmart14 5y ago
And adults have always occupied those jobs too. How else did you get McDonalds Breakfast 30 years ago on a Wednesday at 8 AM in October going into the office?
- WalterBright 5y ago
  Are you sure? I don't ever remember an adult behind the counter in those days. 18 and 19 year-olds are still teens.
  - tcmart14 5y ago
    And they are also considered legally adults, are they not? I remember at 18 signing up for 5 years in the Navy. I'd say that is pretty adult. If it isn't, you should consider contacting your senator about raising the age of enlistment.
    - WalterBright 5y ago
      Legally adult, yes. They're still commonly regarded as kids, though, despite being eligible for the military. Note the drinking age is 21. The ones that do sign up, though, grow up fast.
      - tcmart14 5y ago
        > Note the drinking age is 21. All the more reason to contact your Senator. Lower the drinking age or make the age of enlistment higher. Adult enough to decide to become a sacrificial pawn, but not adult enough to drink a beer.
        WalterBright 5y ago
        Kinda changing the subject.
sarchertech 5y ago
Based on my experience, the primary reason high school kids had jobs was to buy a car. For various reasons (safety regulation, emissions requirements, minimum wage not keeping up with inflation, insurance outpacing inflation, cash for clunkers etc…) it’s now almost impossible to afford a car working a few hours at McDonald’s. There’s also far more fast food restaurants per capita than there used to be, and food service/retail make up a larger part of the economy in general. To top it off, the age of the average American has increased almost 10 years since 1960, so there are just fewer kids to do the jobs.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  I still regret not buying that '68 Chevelle Super Sport for $600 when I was in h.s. That thing was a rocket with that giant V8 and very little car. I did wind up with a 67 289 Mustang. It was an automatic, and my buddy & I converted it to a 4 speed because muscle cars with automatics were for weeners. We sure had fun shredding tires with it. I was lucky to survive the accident that terminated it.