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>> Once he achieves his goal of building a fully autonomous driving system, one sophisticated enough that the human “driver” can take a nap as the car navigates

>> Once he achieves his goal of building a fully autonomous driving system, one sophisticated enough that the human “driver” can take a nap as the car navigates to its destination, Hotz says his ultimate ambition, which he settled on at age fifteen, is to “solve AI” That is, to “build something that can do everything a human can do.” This has been the ambition of many people in AI research for a long time but I really have to wonder: isn't this ambition a little too ambitious? More than sixty years after Dartmouth, we still can't build "something" (a machine) that can do everything a _cockroach_ can do. We can't even build something that can do _anything_ a cockroach can do. Aren't we putting the cart before the horses then? Surely, someone who can create autonomous vehicles and machines that "can do everything a human can do" should be able to create a machine with the autonomy and intelligence of a cockroach, or some other insect (not a eusocial one! Oh gods, no). So let's see anyone with the same great ambitions as George Hotz do that first. Then we can talk about autonomous vehicles and artificial humans.

Barrin92 5y ago
>not a eusocial one! Oh gods, no That might actually be a very good starting point because eusocial species show something that's missing from the "I want a robot girlfriend" / George Hotz style takes, which is that intelligence is a collective effort. Less anthropomorphizing and thinking of intelligence more of trying to bring individual actors together and building tools for this seems much more realistic. Sort of an updated, actually working Cybersyn.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago
  Good point, clearly eusocial insects are intersting in a way that non-eusocial ones are not. But I'm thinking primarily of feasibility. Individual eusocial insects can still act autonomously, so there's two levels of intelligent behaviour there, that of the individual and that of the society. Figuring out how to create the former is hard enough without having to think about the latter also. So an insect like a cockroach which (for the most part) goes around on its own is probably easier to begin with. There may also be increased costs in creating many "artificial insects" compared to having just one. I don't know enough about robotics to be sure about this one. Edit: Cybersyn - wow. I had no idea!
- FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
  > something that's missing from the "I want a robot girlfriend" / George Hotz style takes Wow. Nice projection/takedown. > intelligence is a collective effort. You're not totally wrong, but you might want to be careful with all that Collective Body stuff. I know it codes as "left" for legacy/historical reasons, but, like, superorganisms may not align with your political sympathies. Pretty soon you need a "head" and "arms" and "feet". Pretty soon you need an immune system to root out "contagion". Pretty soon the T-cells are smashing windows and looking for Anne Frank. > an updated, actually working Cybersyn. That's like Jira/Slack, right?
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Barrin92 5y ago

>not a eusocial one! Oh gods, no That might actually be a very good starting point because eusocial species show something that's missing from the "I want a robot girlfriend" / George Hotz style takes, which is that intelligence is a collective effort. Less anthropomorphizing and thinking of intelligence more of trying to bring individual actors together and building tools for this seems much more realistic. Sort of an updated, actually working Cybersyn.

YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago
Good point, clearly eusocial insects are intersting in a way that non-eusocial ones are not. But I'm thinking primarily of feasibility. Individual eusocial insects can still act autonomously, so there's two levels of intelligent behaviour there, that of the individual and that of the society. Figuring out how to create the former is hard enough without having to think about the latter also. So an insect like a cockroach which (for the most part) goes around on its own is probably easier to begin with. There may also be increased costs in creating many "artificial insects" compared to having just one. I don't know enough about robotics to be sure about this one. Edit: Cybersyn - wow. I had no idea!
FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
> something that's missing from the "I want a robot girlfriend" / George Hotz style takes Wow. Nice projection/takedown. > intelligence is a collective effort. You're not totally wrong, but you might want to be careful with all that Collective Body stuff. I know it codes as "left" for legacy/historical reasons, but, like, superorganisms may not align with your political sympathies. Pretty soon you need a "head" and "arms" and "feet". Pretty soon you need an immune system to root out "contagion". Pretty soon the T-cells are smashing windows and looking for Anne Frank. > an updated, actually working Cybersyn. That's like Jira/Slack, right?
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