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Really? I made the same move (or at least finished it 100%) at the same time, and that's not a problem I've ever seen. Some (surprisingly few, actually) don't

Really? I made the same move (or at least finished it 100%) at the same time, and that's not a problem I've ever seen. Some (surprisingly few, actually) don't perform well under Wine/Proton, or at all, but random freezing I've never seen. And certainly not all of my games.

Skunkleton 5y ago
Seems like luck of the draw. I’ve had the same random freezing issues
skoskie 5y ago
But it’s linux, so one obscure setting in a config file or slightly different hardware can make all the difference. I say this as a linux user since WinXP. The whole OS market is pretty rough right now.
- ziml77 5y ago
  > The whole OS market is pretty rough right now. This is my feeling over the past few years. No OS is in a great spot. But I have hopes for Linux being better supported with Valve using it on the Steam Deck. (Not the highest hopes, but more hope than I used to have)
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    I don't agree. KDE in particular feels more well rounded than ever before. I use it on FreeBSD but I use Linux on servers and I'm also very happy with that. Windows 10 is stable for me too though I was hit with the eTPM stutter bug (I use my Windows box exclusively for gaming, in particular VR which I didn't feel like figuring out in proton). But the windows dark patterns are surely there and I hate them. But as it's only my gaming machine I can deal with it. And Mac... Well I moved away from it because Apple is locking down too much and I've come to hate opinionated software. Still they seem to be doing nice things with M1..
    - hparadiz 5y ago
      I recently got Apex Legends working and it's running perfectly at 144 fps in 2k on a 1080 ti. I've also played FFXIV and Path of Exile extensively in Linux. The only thing left is Adobe products which is honestly a matter of time. Just really takes hammering out some market share until Adobe relents. A lot of the best kernel, driver, and gui shell improvements have only really hit their stride in the past 24 months. Things are coming together rapidly.
      - vanviegen 5y ago
        > A lot of the best kernel, driver, and gui shell improvements have only really hit their stride in the past 24 months. Could you elaborate on that? I've been using desktop Linux almost exclusively for the past 24 years (ouch!), and recent years seem pretty average to me. Things work great, most of the time, like always. Unless you're talking about gaming. I'm not a gamer (or i wouldn't be such a long time Linux user) but I hear there's enormous progress on that front.
        hef19898 5y ago
        Gaming was what held me back from switching for decades. Steam is doing a great job on that front, most recent (like in max 5 years old) games in my library work like a charm under Ubuntu. And that includes all AAA games. Old games are harder as those are, understandably, not on top of the priority list to convert to Linux. For those, and some rarely used other stuff I haven't bothered to figure out Linux alternatives for, I still use Windows. If Linux based gaming continues on the current trajectory, I could imagine a world in which a great chunk of the consumer market switches from Windows to Linux.
    - NeutronStar 5y ago
      I don't even use a desktop environment. Gonna be using a window manager for ever. Most of everything is run on the command line anyway.
      - knighthack 5y ago
  - darkwater 5y ago
    I don't play videogames and I'm perfectly fine with my Ubuntu install, it does everything I need it to do. Only gamers put videogaming as a must for an operating system.
    - hef19898 5y ago
      And that is getting constantly better with Linus as well, thanks to Steam.
  - Agamus 5y ago
    I dropped Windows for Linux with XP. I use Linux for all my computing needs, except a few video games that don't like Wine. For those, I do have a separate Windows machine that gets turned on to play those games (like a console), and turned off when I stop. Both machines are built desktops. I never use the Windows box for anything else. No files, no coding, no internet browsing, no music, etc. No cameras, microphones, bluetooth adapters, etc. are installed. I turn that thing on every few weeks or so. This has worked well, and is a compromise with which I can live. Try it, it's blissful!
- 29athrowaway 5y ago
  Projects like Proton and Lutris are making it so that most of the configuration work is encapsulated in installation scripts that make most of that grinding go away.
- seanp2k2 5y ago
  I use macOS + Windows + Pop!_OS (Ubuntu-based) on a daily basis and they're all better or worse depending on the task at hand. They're all useable but imperfect. For me, Windows is for gaming and some music production stuff, macOS is my work laptop and dev environment, and Ubuntu is for most other things like personal use, but also my desktop dev environment. Testing Windows stuff on an M1 Mac with Parallels doesn't work very well today (I have hope that we'll get there soon). Windows VMs work a lot better on my Ubuntu desktop, but a lot of our dev tools have mostly macOS users, so getting them to work with Ubuntu takes a bit of massaging at times. macOS is hard / unsupported to virtualize, so I basically have to use macOS when developing macOS software. If we could run macOS as a VM, I'd choose Ubuntu / Pop!_OS for most things.
  - hparadiz 5y ago
    You can. https://github.com/foxlet/macOS-Simple-KVM https://github.com/foxlet/macOS-Simple-KVM
  - fragmede 5y ago
    OS X virtualization is well supported by Parallels if you're on a Mac and are willing to pay for software (it's a just a few clicks via the GUI to set up and they offer a trial). I haven't tried it under windows, but it's still eminently possible. Eg https://kb.parallels.com/en/125105 https://kb.parallels.com/en/125105 and https://osxdaily.com/2021/07/15/how-install-macos-virtualbox-windows/ https://osxdaily.com/2021/07/15/how-install-macos-virtualbox...
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  - rbut 5y ago
    You can run macOS under VMWare Workstation Player on Linux using an unlocker. If you combine it with a serial from an actual mac you own, but no longer use, you can get iMessage working also.
- tjr225 5y ago
  Unless you care about gaming MacOS has been rock solid for at least a decade. For what it is worth I am no mac fanboy, I am typing this to you on a windows 10 computer in my shop(that I use for gaming, among other things).
  - technobabbler 5y ago
    Yeah, this. Macos is my daily driver and it does a good job of staying out of my way. I recently got a windows pc just for gaming, and god DAMN it's annoying. Even worse than Vista. Nothing is consistent anymore and everything is always trying to grab my attention for irrelevant shit. What the hell happened :/
    - derac 5y ago
      As a long time Windows user, I highly recommend using this to turn off the useless crap. https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script
      - suby 5y ago
        In my experience, messing with Windows in this manner (especially with an unmaintained script as this one is) results in a broken installation after enough updates. I just let my Windows partition do whatever the hell it wants, and keep my use of it to absolutely minimal levels.
      - jenscow 5y ago
        I always used that too. However, it's ironic that the author has now given up on Windows, for the problems the script attempts to solve.
    - dagw 5y ago
      Macos is my daily driver and it does a good job of staying out of my way. As a long time Windows and Linux user who recently got a MacBook Pro, I find the UI incredibly weird and confusing compared to what I'm used to. The hardware is however more than good enough that I'm willing to put up with MacOS until I get used to it.
- N3Xxus_6 5y ago
  Yep this is the correct answer. Some many variables in Linux could cause an issue, like freezing.
  - hulitu 5y ago
    The most notorious one is export FREEZE=1
- oblio 5y ago
  > The whole OS market is pretty rough right now. It's like this since it became clear smartphones were going to become the bigger market, so around 2012 or so. Investment into desktop everything went down: OSes, apps, games, etc. Heck, you can see this even for Open Source desktop stuff. There was a flurry of releases of cross platform Open Source software around 2009 or so: KDE4, better support for GTK on Windows, etc. All of that has slowed down or frozen in time. Mobile has sucked all the money and hype from desktop development.
_Algernon_ 5y ago
It's all games, both proton and native, on a specific computer. The issue didn't occur for a long time when I first installed, so I'm pretty sure its a software/config problem which a reinstall would fix. I just haven't gotten around to it. Probably a nvidia driver problem tbh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2lhwb_OckQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2lhwb_OckQ)
- webmaven 5y ago
  There's a chance that your problems are being caused by bad RAM.
- pjerem 5y ago
  Really looks like damaged RAM. You should run a memtest.
d110af5ccf 5y ago
I also made the move to 100% Linux rather than move to Windows 8. Initially some games had issues but things gradually improved over time.

Skunkleton 5y ago

Seems like luck of the draw. I’ve had the same random freezing issues

skoskie 5y ago

But it’s linux, so one obscure setting in a config file or slightly different hardware can make all the difference. I say this as a linux user since WinXP. The whole OS market is pretty rough right now.

ziml77 5y ago
> The whole OS market is pretty rough right now. This is my feeling over the past few years. No OS is in a great spot. But I have hopes for Linux being better supported with Valve using it on the Steam Deck. (Not the highest hopes, but more hope than I used to have)
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  I don't agree. KDE in particular feels more well rounded than ever before. I use it on FreeBSD but I use Linux on servers and I'm also very happy with that. Windows 10 is stable for me too though I was hit with the eTPM stutter bug (I use my Windows box exclusively for gaming, in particular VR which I didn't feel like figuring out in proton). But the windows dark patterns are surely there and I hate them. But as it's only my gaming machine I can deal with it. And Mac... Well I moved away from it because Apple is locking down too much and I've come to hate opinionated software. Still they seem to be doing nice things with M1..
  - hparadiz 5y ago
    I recently got Apex Legends working and it's running perfectly at 144 fps in 2k on a 1080 ti. I've also played FFXIV and Path of Exile extensively in Linux. The only thing left is Adobe products which is honestly a matter of time. Just really takes hammering out some market share until Adobe relents. A lot of the best kernel, driver, and gui shell improvements have only really hit their stride in the past 24 months. Things are coming together rapidly.
    - vanviegen 5y ago
      > A lot of the best kernel, driver, and gui shell improvements have only really hit their stride in the past 24 months. Could you elaborate on that? I've been using desktop Linux almost exclusively for the past 24 years (ouch!), and recent years seem pretty average to me. Things work great, most of the time, like always. Unless you're talking about gaming. I'm not a gamer (or i wouldn't be such a long time Linux user) but I hear there's enormous progress on that front.
      - hef19898 5y ago
        Gaming was what held me back from switching for decades. Steam is doing a great job on that front, most recent (like in max 5 years old) games in my library work like a charm under Ubuntu. And that includes all AAA games. Old games are harder as those are, understandably, not on top of the priority list to convert to Linux. For those, and some rarely used other stuff I haven't bothered to figure out Linux alternatives for, I still use Windows. If Linux based gaming continues on the current trajectory, I could imagine a world in which a great chunk of the consumer market switches from Windows to Linux.
  - NeutronStar 5y ago
    I don't even use a desktop environment. Gonna be using a window manager for ever. Most of everything is run on the command line anyway.
    - knighthack 5y ago
- darkwater 5y ago
  I don't play videogames and I'm perfectly fine with my Ubuntu install, it does everything I need it to do. Only gamers put videogaming as a must for an operating system.
  - hef19898 5y ago
    And that is getting constantly better with Linus as well, thanks to Steam.
- Agamus 5y ago
  I dropped Windows for Linux with XP. I use Linux for all my computing needs, except a few video games that don't like Wine. For those, I do have a separate Windows machine that gets turned on to play those games (like a console), and turned off when I stop. Both machines are built desktops. I never use the Windows box for anything else. No files, no coding, no internet browsing, no music, etc. No cameras, microphones, bluetooth adapters, etc. are installed. I turn that thing on every few weeks or so. This has worked well, and is a compromise with which I can live. Try it, it's blissful!
29athrowaway 5y ago
Projects like Proton and Lutris are making it so that most of the configuration work is encapsulated in installation scripts that make most of that grinding go away.
seanp2k2 5y ago
I use macOS + Windows + Pop!_OS (Ubuntu-based) on a daily basis and they're all better or worse depending on the task at hand. They're all useable but imperfect. For me, Windows is for gaming and some music production stuff, macOS is my work laptop and dev environment, and Ubuntu is for most other things like personal use, but also my desktop dev environment. Testing Windows stuff on an M1 Mac with Parallels doesn't work very well today (I have hope that we'll get there soon). Windows VMs work a lot better on my Ubuntu desktop, but a lot of our dev tools have mostly macOS users, so getting them to work with Ubuntu takes a bit of massaging at times. macOS is hard / unsupported to virtualize, so I basically have to use macOS when developing macOS software. If we could run macOS as a VM, I'd choose Ubuntu / Pop!_OS for most things.
- hparadiz 5y ago
  You can. https://github.com/foxlet/macOS-Simple-KVM https://github.com/foxlet/macOS-Simple-KVM
- fragmede 5y ago
  OS X virtualization is well supported by Parallels if you're on a Mac and are willing to pay for software (it's a just a few clicks via the GUI to set up and they offer a trial). I haven't tried it under windows, but it's still eminently possible. Eg https://kb.parallels.com/en/125105 https://kb.parallels.com/en/125105 and https://osxdaily.com/2021/07/15/how-install-macos-virtualbox-windows/ https://osxdaily.com/2021/07/15/how-install-macos-virtualbox...
- deleted 5y ago
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- rbut 5y ago
  You can run macOS under VMWare Workstation Player on Linux using an unlocker. If you combine it with a serial from an actual mac you own, but no longer use, you can get iMessage working also.
tjr225 5y ago
Unless you care about gaming MacOS has been rock solid for at least a decade. For what it is worth I am no mac fanboy, I am typing this to you on a windows 10 computer in my shop(that I use for gaming, among other things).
- technobabbler 5y ago
  Yeah, this. Macos is my daily driver and it does a good job of staying out of my way. I recently got a windows pc just for gaming, and god DAMN it's annoying. Even worse than Vista. Nothing is consistent anymore and everything is always trying to grab my attention for irrelevant shit. What the hell happened :/
  - derac 5y ago
    As a long time Windows user, I highly recommend using this to turn off the useless crap. https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script
    - suby 5y ago
      In my experience, messing with Windows in this manner (especially with an unmaintained script as this one is) results in a broken installation after enough updates. I just let my Windows partition do whatever the hell it wants, and keep my use of it to absolutely minimal levels.
    - jenscow 5y ago
      I always used that too. However, it's ironic that the author has now given up on Windows, for the problems the script attempts to solve.
  - dagw 5y ago
    Macos is my daily driver and it does a good job of staying out of my way. As a long time Windows and Linux user who recently got a MacBook Pro, I find the UI incredibly weird and confusing compared to what I'm used to. The hardware is however more than good enough that I'm willing to put up with MacOS until I get used to it.
N3Xxus_6 5y ago
Yep this is the correct answer. Some many variables in Linux could cause an issue, like freezing.
- hulitu 5y ago
  The most notorious one is export FREEZE=1
oblio 5y ago
> The whole OS market is pretty rough right now. It's like this since it became clear smartphones were going to become the bigger market, so around 2012 or so. Investment into desktop everything went down: OSes, apps, games, etc. Heck, you can see this even for Open Source desktop stuff. There was a flurry of releases of cross platform Open Source software around 2009 or so: KDE4, better support for GTK on Windows, etc. All of that has slowed down or frozen in time. Mobile has sucked all the money and hype from desktop development.

_Algernon_ 5y ago

It's all games, both proton and native, on a specific computer. The issue didn't occur for a long time when I first installed, so I'm pretty sure its a software/config problem which a reinstall would fix. I just haven't gotten around to it. Probably a nvidia driver problem tbh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2lhwb_OckQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2lhwb_OckQ)

webmaven 5y ago
There's a chance that your problems are being caused by bad RAM.
pjerem 5y ago
Really looks like damaged RAM. You should run a memtest.

d110af5ccf 5y ago

I also made the move to 100% Linux rather than move to Windows 8. Initially some games had issues but things gradually improved over time.