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Having a foggy brain for 3 months would mess up my life more than wearing a mask.

by shigawire 5y ago

_yoqn 5y ago
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- stonogo 5y ago
  Your comment might have been more effective in reply to someone supporting a mask mandate, instead of someone choosing to wear one.
- pthread_t 5y ago
  > Don't mandate it. How far do we take this? Should we stop forcing people to get the MMR vaccine? Polio vaccine? Hep A?
  - _yoqn 5y ago
    The mRNA vaccine is not your grandpa's vaccine. This is a new and experimental technology that is not even close to being fully understood. And there is no data on very long term adverse events. The trial data will not be released by the FDA for another 55 years or so [1] The J&J Janssen vaccine is a more traditional vaccine and it's not pushed by the media or the governments almost at all. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18 https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants...
    - internet_user 5y ago
      J&J is a viral vector vaccine and it's also a very new tech. Only 6 are approved. 4 for covid, 2 for ebola. It's just a crappy vaccine, that's why it's not being pushed hard. The inactivated vaccine, which is the actual well established old tech, seems to have worked just as well, or just as poorly, depending on how you percieve the vaccine efficacy. India used mostly the inactivated vaccine, where nearly a billion people have been vaccinated with it. Apparently, that's just not good enough for several western countries that demand you MUST get an mRNA shot, despite being fully vaccinated by inactivated vaccines that were accepted as effective by the WHO. Clearly purely scientific decisions. /s It gets even better. Licensed Astrazeneca vaccine that was made in India is not accepted by the EU, only the UK version that's sold under a different label. duh, this is obviously The Science. /s Most of pharma in the world is manufactured in India, btw. Usually good enough, but for some reason not in a critical emergency such as a pandemic. Why is that?
- codyb 5y ago
  Hmm… those first four seem to be small asks of the citizen for a common good (whether or not you agree that fighting climate change or wearing masks is a common good is a bit irrelevant, the framers of such asks would believe so), where as the last one seems to be a rather large surveillance apparatus. It just does not follow to me that asking people to wear masks during a pandemic or to raise taxes to pay for something (done literally all the time) lead to a dystopian surveillance hellscape.
  - _yoqn 5y ago
    Exactly. "What's the big deal?" right?
    - codyb 5y ago
      No, look I’m as happy as the next guy all the mandates are going away but I would be extremely opposed to the social status thing. Just because someone is willing to wear a mask or get vaccinated during a pandemic does not mean they would be fine with a massive surveillance state. That’s a _crazy_ leap
      - _yoqn 5y ago
        That's a fair point. I'll engage. My point on that is the Boiling Frog analogy. [1] We all brush our teeth (mostly) because we want to preserve their health. And we wish to avoid the pain of abscesses and the dentist's drill. The government doesn't MANDATE that we brush our teeth. They have worked hard to make us think that the mandates are not for you but your neighbor, meaning they protect your neighbor from you. But that just isn't the case. We know that the vaccine will not stop infection or spread, and the only useful masks are the ones that will protect you from inhaling the aerosolized infective agent. So this would come down to personal choice. What we're seeing on a global scale is an infrastructure being put in place ever so slowly based on shocking and jarring events. Piece by piece. This has been going on since the turn of the 20th century. Maybe earlier. DO you think the infrastructure being built for vaccine passports is going to be limited to vaccines or travel? If legislation like the PATRIOT act and dark projects like Prism have taught us anything it's that once the foot is in the door it will not retract. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
- throwaway984393 5y ago
  Oh hey look, it's an anti-vaxxer here to tell us that we need to get measles so we can have liberty.
  - _yoqn 5y ago
    I got the vaccine. Does that make me anti-vaxx? I'm anti-mandate for an experimental drug that is not fully understood. I am ok with the MMR and tetanus and the older traditional vaccines. They have been very rigorously tested and proven. I got all those for school and whatnot and I'm cool with that.
bigDinosaur 5y ago
This implies that wearing a mask will prevent covid infection. It will not, look at a place like South Korea or Singapore to see why that's just not reality. Anyway, yes, it sucks, the only way I got through it was by reassuring myself that for the vast majority of people issues like brain fog do tend to resolve depending on their underlying cause. I won't lie and say it wasn't scary though. Essentially it deleted three months of my life.
- hapiri 5y ago
  Yes if you look at the general population with incorrect mask fitting, long time frame. I would doubt that claim for an individual that wears properly fitted N95.
- jancsika 5y ago
  > This implies that wearing a mask will prevent covid infection. There are at least two orders of magnitude difference in efficacy depending on what type of mask you happen to be wearing and what the fit is[1]. And that's assuming OP is the only party wearing a mask. If all parties are wearing them then it's four orders of magnitude depending on mask type/fit. I don't know what the actual time-to-infection is for Omicron. But that's quite a spread in mask efficacy to blithely encapsulate with the single word "mask." Given that, I don't think it makes sense to talk about "masks" without specifying which category of mask. It's like talking about "latency" in audio-- unless users prefix it with "round trip" they are almost certain to misunderstand what it is they are measuring and will end up just confusing themselves further. > It will not, look at a place like South Korea or Singapore to see why that's just not reality. But OP is OP, not an entire country of citizens. And we already know a subset of citizens called "nurses" can learn to wearing a tight-fitting, uncomfortable NIOSH-approved N95 for extended periods of time. If OP wants to do that when buying groceries, OP will likely lower the risk of infection for themselves. And hell, at some point somebody is probably going to create a decent mask that is both tight-fitting and not so painful to wear. Maybe by that point there will even be a better indication of what the actual time to infection for Omicron is. 1: https://www.acgih.org/covid-19-fact-sheet-worker-resp/ https://www.acgih.org/covid-19-fact-sheet-worker-resp/

Having a foggy brain for 3 months would mess up my life more than wearing a mask.

_yoqn 5y ago

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stonogo 5y ago
Your comment might have been more effective in reply to someone supporting a mask mandate, instead of someone choosing to wear one.
pthread_t 5y ago
> Don't mandate it. How far do we take this? Should we stop forcing people to get the MMR vaccine? Polio vaccine? Hep A?
- _yoqn 5y ago
  The mRNA vaccine is not your grandpa's vaccine. This is a new and experimental technology that is not even close to being fully understood. And there is no data on very long term adverse events. The trial data will not be released by the FDA for another 55 years or so [1] The J&J Janssen vaccine is a more traditional vaccine and it's not pushed by the media or the governments almost at all. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18 https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants...
  - internet_user 5y ago
    J&J is a viral vector vaccine and it's also a very new tech. Only 6 are approved. 4 for covid, 2 for ebola. It's just a crappy vaccine, that's why it's not being pushed hard. The inactivated vaccine, which is the actual well established old tech, seems to have worked just as well, or just as poorly, depending on how you percieve the vaccine efficacy. India used mostly the inactivated vaccine, where nearly a billion people have been vaccinated with it. Apparently, that's just not good enough for several western countries that demand you MUST get an mRNA shot, despite being fully vaccinated by inactivated vaccines that were accepted as effective by the WHO. Clearly purely scientific decisions. /s It gets even better. Licensed Astrazeneca vaccine that was made in India is not accepted by the EU, only the UK version that's sold under a different label. duh, this is obviously The Science. /s Most of pharma in the world is manufactured in India, btw. Usually good enough, but for some reason not in a critical emergency such as a pandemic. Why is that?
codyb 5y ago
Hmm… those first four seem to be small asks of the citizen for a common good (whether or not you agree that fighting climate change or wearing masks is a common good is a bit irrelevant, the framers of such asks would believe so), where as the last one seems to be a rather large surveillance apparatus. It just does not follow to me that asking people to wear masks during a pandemic or to raise taxes to pay for something (done literally all the time) lead to a dystopian surveillance hellscape.
- _yoqn 5y ago
  Exactly. "What's the big deal?" right?
  - codyb 5y ago
    No, look I’m as happy as the next guy all the mandates are going away but I would be extremely opposed to the social status thing. Just because someone is willing to wear a mask or get vaccinated during a pandemic does not mean they would be fine with a massive surveillance state. That’s a _crazy_ leap
    - _yoqn 5y ago
      That's a fair point. I'll engage. My point on that is the Boiling Frog analogy. [1] We all brush our teeth (mostly) because we want to preserve their health. And we wish to avoid the pain of abscesses and the dentist's drill. The government doesn't MANDATE that we brush our teeth. They have worked hard to make us think that the mandates are not for you but your neighbor, meaning they protect your neighbor from you. But that just isn't the case. We know that the vaccine will not stop infection or spread, and the only useful masks are the ones that will protect you from inhaling the aerosolized infective agent. So this would come down to personal choice. What we're seeing on a global scale is an infrastructure being put in place ever so slowly based on shocking and jarring events. Piece by piece. This has been going on since the turn of the 20th century. Maybe earlier. DO you think the infrastructure being built for vaccine passports is going to be limited to vaccines or travel? If legislation like the PATRIOT act and dark projects like Prism have taught us anything it's that once the foot is in the door it will not retract. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
throwaway984393 5y ago
Oh hey look, it's an anti-vaxxer here to tell us that we need to get measles so we can have liberty.
- _yoqn 5y ago
  I got the vaccine. Does that make me anti-vaxx? I'm anti-mandate for an experimental drug that is not fully understood. I am ok with the MMR and tetanus and the older traditional vaccines. They have been very rigorously tested and proven. I got all those for school and whatnot and I'm cool with that.

bigDinosaur 5y ago

This implies that wearing a mask will prevent covid infection. It will not, look at a place like South Korea or Singapore to see why that's just not reality. Anyway, yes, it sucks, the only way I got through it was by reassuring myself that for the vast majority of people issues like brain fog do tend to resolve depending on their underlying cause. I won't lie and say it wasn't scary though. Essentially it deleted three months of my life.

hapiri 5y ago
Yes if you look at the general population with incorrect mask fitting, long time frame. I would doubt that claim for an individual that wears properly fitted N95.
jancsika 5y ago
> This implies that wearing a mask will prevent covid infection. There are at least two orders of magnitude difference in efficacy depending on what type of mask you happen to be wearing and what the fit is[1]. And that's assuming OP is the only party wearing a mask. If all parties are wearing them then it's four orders of magnitude depending on mask type/fit. I don't know what the actual time-to-infection is for Omicron. But that's quite a spread in mask efficacy to blithely encapsulate with the single word "mask." Given that, I don't think it makes sense to talk about "masks" without specifying which category of mask. It's like talking about "latency" in audio-- unless users prefix it with "round trip" they are almost certain to misunderstand what it is they are measuring and will end up just confusing themselves further. > It will not, look at a place like South Korea or Singapore to see why that's just not reality. But OP is OP, not an entire country of citizens. And we already know a subset of citizens called "nurses" can learn to wearing a tight-fitting, uncomfortable NIOSH-approved N95 for extended periods of time. If OP wants to do that when buying groceries, OP will likely lower the risk of infection for themselves. And hell, at some point somebody is probably going to create a decent mask that is both tight-fitting and not so painful to wear. Maybe by that point there will even be a better indication of what the actual time to infection for Omicron is. 1: https://www.acgih.org/covid-19-fact-sheet-worker-resp/ https://www.acgih.org/covid-19-fact-sheet-worker-resp/