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> College prepares people to be adults in every way, not to be a resource for corporations. Most people think college prepares them to be resource for corporat

by nsonha 5y ago

> College prepares people to be adults in every way, not to be a resource for corporations. Most people think college prepares them to be resource for corporation, or some other things. Your college education coincides with your formative years, but from my exp, college has nothing to do with growing as an adult. It's mainly moving out of your hometown and work your part time job and start planning your life.

wolverine876 5y ago
> Most people think college prepares them to be resource for corporation, or some other things. They do? And if they do, is it true? Who are we talking about? High school students? People who read HN? > from my exp, college has nothing to do with growing as an adult. It's mainly moving out of your hometown and work your part time job and start planning your life. That's too bad. There is so much more going on. What about all the knowledge and critical thinking skills, from science and stats, to addressing the bigger questions in the humanities and social sciences?
- nsonha 5y ago
  that's not what "adult" means, you've chosen the wrong word, and now you are changing the definition of "adult" to an activist who has to have opinions about grandiose things in the world. Again you keep making the argument that university is the only place where you can learn how to think, which is a pretty basic human skill. If that was true, then it's a dangerous system that needs to be fixed, not something to celebrate. I said "was true" because I didn't know that the government installed locks on books and encrypting mechanisms on the internet and public libraries so that they are only accessible from universities.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Only activists have opinions about "grandiose things in the world"????!!!
    - nsonha 5y ago
      You kept ignoring the more important point and cherry-pick a bikeshedding topic (the definition of some word) to reply. > Only activists have opinions... That's not what I said, but you certainly did say that adult means that you HAVE TO think about those things, in some particular way that is taught in an university. Adult to me just means you can take care of people other than yourself. Of course it's a subjective definition, but a teenager can read books/go to university and have sophisticated thoughts about the world, that doesn't make them mature. Here is something to consider though: why is it that you only study critical thinking, scientific method or whatever at the age 18? Why do kids have to fuck around for years, apparently unable to think, before "university"? Why should they? What are they before that? mindless primates?
      - wolverine876 5y ago
        > you certainly did say that adult means that you HAVE TO think about those things, in some particular way that is taught in an university. I didn't say that (provide a link?), though I do happen to think that adults do have to be responsible for others, as you say, and the bigger issues are big because they impact those responsibilities. The rest is your own ideas. At college, you learn that there is no one right way to think, and also the very narrow limits of your own mind. > a teenager can read books/go to university and have sophisticated thoughts about the world, that doesn't make them mature. Right, college is about knowledge and thinking skills, not so much maturity (but it helps there too). For maturity, get married and work in a coal mine at 13 years old. > why is it that you only study critical thinking, scientific method or whatever at the age 18? Why do kids have to fuck around for years Hmmm ... I had science classes, and was taught to think critically, before college, but not nearly on the same level. Why do people not learn more complex things earlier? Why not teach graduate level physics to 6 year olds?
        nsonha 5y ago
        > At college, you learn that there is no one right way to think Again with this "at college" rhetoric. I guess if you don't go to college, you will be a bigot, on top of having no critical thinking and being an absolutely selfish individual > For maturity, get married and work in a coal mine at 13 years old Did college teach you this stellar argument?

by nsonha 5y ago

wolverine876 5y ago

> Most people think college prepares them to be resource for corporation, or some other things. They do? And if they do, is it true? Who are we talking about? High school students? People who read HN? > from my exp, college has nothing to do with growing as an adult. It's mainly moving out of your hometown and work your part time job and start planning your life. That's too bad. There is so much more going on. What about all the knowledge and critical thinking skills, from science and stats, to addressing the bigger questions in the humanities and social sciences?

nsonha 5y ago
that's not what "adult" means, you've chosen the wrong word, and now you are changing the definition of "adult" to an activist who has to have opinions about grandiose things in the world. Again you keep making the argument that university is the only place where you can learn how to think, which is a pretty basic human skill. If that was true, then it's a dangerous system that needs to be fixed, not something to celebrate. I said "was true" because I didn't know that the government installed locks on books and encrypting mechanisms on the internet and public libraries so that they are only accessible from universities.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Only activists have opinions about "grandiose things in the world"????!!!
  - nsonha 5y ago
    You kept ignoring the more important point and cherry-pick a bikeshedding topic (the definition of some word) to reply. > Only activists have opinions... That's not what I said, but you certainly did say that adult means that you HAVE TO think about those things, in some particular way that is taught in an university. Adult to me just means you can take care of people other than yourself. Of course it's a subjective definition, but a teenager can read books/go to university and have sophisticated thoughts about the world, that doesn't make them mature. Here is something to consider though: why is it that you only study critical thinking, scientific method or whatever at the age 18? Why do kids have to fuck around for years, apparently unable to think, before "university"? Why should they? What are they before that? mindless primates?
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      > you certainly did say that adult means that you HAVE TO think about those things, in some particular way that is taught in an university. I didn't say that (provide a link?), though I do happen to think that adults do have to be responsible for others, as you say, and the bigger issues are big because they impact those responsibilities. The rest is your own ideas. At college, you learn that there is no one right way to think, and also the very narrow limits of your own mind. > a teenager can read books/go to university and have sophisticated thoughts about the world, that doesn't make them mature. Right, college is about knowledge and thinking skills, not so much maturity (but it helps there too). For maturity, get married and work in a coal mine at 13 years old. > why is it that you only study critical thinking, scientific method or whatever at the age 18? Why do kids have to fuck around for years Hmmm ... I had science classes, and was taught to think critically, before college, but not nearly on the same level. Why do people not learn more complex things earlier? Why not teach graduate level physics to 6 year olds?
      - nsonha 5y ago
        > At college, you learn that there is no one right way to think Again with this "at college" rhetoric. I guess if you don't go to college, you will be a bigot, on top of having no critical thinking and being an absolutely selfish individual > For maturity, get married and work in a coal mine at 13 years old Did college teach you this stellar argument?