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> but the research shows the exact opposite Links would be appreciated. By all accounts I've heard, for vaccinated people, Omicron (the dominant variant) is li

> but the research shows the exact opposite Links would be appreciated. By all accounts I've heard, for vaccinated people, Omicron (the dominant variant) is like a mild cold.

jimnotgym 5y ago
I have had Covid twice. Omicron was more like severe flu than a cold for me and my wife. In several ways it is quite unlike either a cold or flu. The brainfog, the feeling that one is ok one part of the day followed by a wave of fatigue were both quite dissimilar to cold and flu.
- dataflow 5y ago
  Can I ask if you ever got vaccinated? (The claim was not about unvaccinated folks.)
  - jimnotgym 5y ago
    I was double vaccinated. My wife was triple vaccinated.
    - dataflow 5y ago
      Wow, interesting. That's the first time I'm hearing about this; it's great to know. Thanks! Hopefully you've been able to recover to normal by now?
      - jimnotgym 5y ago
        Unfortunately not. From my first infection I have fatigue, sleep apneoa, shortness of breath, brain fog and palpitations still. My wife had not had Covid previously is a keen runner and has just cancelled a race 3 months after 'recovery' because she can no longer run those distances. Yet because 'some guy we know' had it easy, there are a bunch of people hanging around internet forums willing to refute all talk of covid being serious.
        dataflow 5y ago
        > Unfortunately not. From my first infection I have fatigue, sleep apneoa, shortness of breath, brain fog and palpitations still. My wife had not had Covid previously is a keen runner and has just cancelled a race 3 months after 'recovery' because she can no longer run those distances. Sorry to hear that. Hope you end up finding a way to recover. > Yet because 'some guy we know' had it easy I have no idea where you're pulling this from. I wasn't citing you an anecdote I gathered from "some guy I know". I was citing facts that have been circulating all over the news for a while now, along with the relevant hospitalization statistics. And I hadn't heard anything to the contrary. Here's [1] one link: > In fully vaccinated and/or boosted people, omicron symptoms tend to be mild. In unvaccinated people, symptoms may be quite severe, possibly leading to hospitalization or even death. [1] https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/omicron-variant https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/...
        jimnotgym 5y ago
        > In fully vaccinated and/or boosted people, omicron symptoms tend to be mild. Mild in comparison to other strains of Covid, yes. Tends not to require hospitalisation and has a lower risk of death. It doesn't say 'mild compared to a cold' though. I think it its too early for a study too be able to suggest that Omicron changed the possibility of developing long Covid either. In regards to identifying yourself as one of the people I was targeting in my comment about 'some guy', I will put that down to a guilty concience.
        dataflow 5y ago
        > It doesn't say 'mild compared to a cold' though. "Mild compared to a cold" is not what I wrote either. I said it's "like a mild cold" for vaccinated people. "Mild cold" being, you know, what people get all the time: some sore throat/cough/congestion. No high fevers, not bedridden, etc. If you read the news beyond that one link I pasted above, you'll see what I said is pretty consistent with what has been reported. Here's [1] another one: > For many people, especially those who are vaccinated and otherwise healthy, Omicron does appear to have relatively mild symptoms, including upper respiratory or cold like symptoms like a runny nose congestion, sneezing, and sore throat—which is relatively common—and headaches. Fever is less common than we’ve seen with other variants, especially in vaccinated people. [1] https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/omicron-really-mild https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/omicro...
simondotau 5y ago
> …Omicron (the dominant variant) is like a mild cold. Omicron appears mild in the statistics because by the time it hit western countries like the US and UK, there was almost nobody left who hasn’t either been vaccinated or exposed to a prior variant, or both. Countries with low vaccination rates and low prior exposure rates are seeing severity of outcome with Omicron that is comparable to prior variants. https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1503420660869214213?s=21 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1503420660869214213?...
- dataflow 5y ago
  > Countries with low vaccination rates and low prior exposure rates How is that relevant when the complaint is specifically about how "masks aren't mandatory in public in the US"? Vaccines have been freely available in the US for a year, yet the US should mandate masks because other countries have low vaccination rates?
  - simondotau 5y ago
    I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, but I’m not advocating for mask mandates. In fact I disagree with them. Mask mandates were a highly imperfect but prudent policy measure prior to widespread deployment of effective vaccines. Now they are pointless and arguably counter-productive. People who have specific concerns about COVID and want to protect themselves (or others) should be encouraged to wear an N95 mask. Cloth and surgical masks should no longer be treated as a valid medical choice.
anonymouswacker 5y ago
I didn't sign up to be a lab rat, and it was a 3 day head cold when I caught Omicron on NYE. But I also paid close attention to the independent research and followed the advice of my doctors to improve my health (as measured by Vitamin D in this case).
jimnotgym 5y ago
I am concerned that you just a) demanded hard proof b) presented an anecdote as contradictory evidence I think you should probably hold yourself to the same standards that you hold others

> but the research shows the exact opposite Links would be appreciated. By all accounts I've heard, for vaccinated people, Omicron (the dominant variant) is like a mild cold.

jimnotgym 5y ago

I have had Covid twice. Omicron was more like severe flu than a cold for me and my wife. In several ways it is quite unlike either a cold or flu. The brainfog, the feeling that one is ok one part of the day followed by a wave of fatigue were both quite dissimilar to cold and flu.

dataflow 5y ago
Can I ask if you ever got vaccinated? (The claim was not about unvaccinated folks.)
- jimnotgym 5y ago
  I was double vaccinated. My wife was triple vaccinated.
  - dataflow 5y ago
    Wow, interesting. That's the first time I'm hearing about this; it's great to know. Thanks! Hopefully you've been able to recover to normal by now?
    - jimnotgym 5y ago
      Unfortunately not. From my first infection I have fatigue, sleep apneoa, shortness of breath, brain fog and palpitations still. My wife had not had Covid previously is a keen runner and has just cancelled a race 3 months after 'recovery' because she can no longer run those distances. Yet because 'some guy we know' had it easy, there are a bunch of people hanging around internet forums willing to refute all talk of covid being serious.
      - dataflow 5y ago
        > Unfortunately not. From my first infection I have fatigue, sleep apneoa, shortness of breath, brain fog and palpitations still. My wife had not had Covid previously is a keen runner and has just cancelled a race 3 months after 'recovery' because she can no longer run those distances. Sorry to hear that. Hope you end up finding a way to recover. > Yet because 'some guy we know' had it easy I have no idea where you're pulling this from. I wasn't citing you an anecdote I gathered from "some guy I know". I was citing facts that have been circulating all over the news for a while now, along with the relevant hospitalization statistics. And I hadn't heard anything to the contrary. Here's [1] one link: > In fully vaccinated and/or boosted people, omicron symptoms tend to be mild. In unvaccinated people, symptoms may be quite severe, possibly leading to hospitalization or even death. [1] https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/omicron-variant https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/...
        jimnotgym 5y ago
        > In fully vaccinated and/or boosted people, omicron symptoms tend to be mild. Mild in comparison to other strains of Covid, yes. Tends not to require hospitalisation and has a lower risk of death. It doesn't say 'mild compared to a cold' though. I think it its too early for a study too be able to suggest that Omicron changed the possibility of developing long Covid either. In regards to identifying yourself as one of the people I was targeting in my comment about 'some guy', I will put that down to a guilty concience.
        dataflow 5y ago
        > It doesn't say 'mild compared to a cold' though. "Mild compared to a cold" is not what I wrote either. I said it's "like a mild cold" for vaccinated people. "Mild cold" being, you know, what people get all the time: some sore throat/cough/congestion. No high fevers, not bedridden, etc. If you read the news beyond that one link I pasted above, you'll see what I said is pretty consistent with what has been reported. Here's [1] another one: > For many people, especially those who are vaccinated and otherwise healthy, Omicron does appear to have relatively mild symptoms, including upper respiratory or cold like symptoms like a runny nose congestion, sneezing, and sore throat—which is relatively common—and headaches. Fever is less common than we’ve seen with other variants, especially in vaccinated people. [1] https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/omicron-really-mild https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/omicro...

simondotau 5y ago

> …Omicron (the dominant variant) is like a mild cold. Omicron appears mild in the statistics because by the time it hit western countries like the US and UK, there was almost nobody left who hasn’t either been vaccinated or exposed to a prior variant, or both. Countries with low vaccination rates and low prior exposure rates are seeing severity of outcome with Omicron that is comparable to prior variants. https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1503420660869214213?s=21 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1503420660869214213?...

dataflow 5y ago
> Countries with low vaccination rates and low prior exposure rates How is that relevant when the complaint is specifically about how "masks aren't mandatory in public in the US"? Vaccines have been freely available in the US for a year, yet the US should mandate masks because other countries have low vaccination rates?
- simondotau 5y ago
  I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, but I’m not advocating for mask mandates. In fact I disagree with them. Mask mandates were a highly imperfect but prudent policy measure prior to widespread deployment of effective vaccines. Now they are pointless and arguably counter-productive. People who have specific concerns about COVID and want to protect themselves (or others) should be encouraged to wear an N95 mask. Cloth and surgical masks should no longer be treated as a valid medical choice.

anonymouswacker 5y ago

I didn't sign up to be a lab rat, and it was a 3 day head cold when I caught Omicron on NYE. But I also paid close attention to the independent research and followed the advice of my doctors to improve my health (as measured by Vitamin D in this case).

jimnotgym 5y ago

I am concerned that you just a) demanded hard proof b) presented an anecdote as contradictory evidence I think you should probably hold yourself to the same standards that you hold others