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I grew up a low income student as well but why kind of bullshit were they feeding you? My athlete friends were well aware you needed a 950 for any kind of NCAA

by yardie 5y ago

I grew up a low income student as well but why kind of bullshit were they feeding you? My athlete friends were well aware you needed a 950 for any kind of NCAA consideration. It didn’t matter how good your grades or athleticism if you couldn’t pass that hurdle you were relegated to juco. If anything most of the high school counselors in predominantly poor and black schools just don’t push very hard. They would tell you MIT was too far of a reach. They would tell you the best you could hope for was a private local, community college, or public state university. Who would ever consider Devry and MIT as equivalent?

wolverine876 5y ago
It would be very interesting to hear your personal experience. But how can you make general statements about all poor schools?
- brigandish 5y ago
  He's responding to an anecdote - one that sounds absurd, by the way - so I would say that responding with an anecdote is fine, especially one that actually sounds realistic. Let's hear some anecdotes about being pushed hard in schools based in poor areas before dismissing it.
  - sometimeshuman 5y ago
    "sounds absurd, by the way".. that perhaps explains all the downvotes. One of the surprises about getting older is that stories from your youth sound more and more absurd with time. I didn't grow up with the Internet and the "MIT whiz kid" wasn't common in movies/shows until the mid 90's and ever after. What was a thing during my high school days were the relentless TV commercials for tech schools masquerading as advanced degree institutions. Who lies on HN about a personal story BTW ? What would be the point.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      > that perhaps explains all the downvotes The downvotes are the aggressive reactionary tide through HN, that rises and falls. Your personal observation suggests that some 'progressive' action might be valuable, that there's a systemic problem, and therefore it is shut down. Don't stop telling it please. We need more voices from the real world here.
    - brigandish 5y ago
      It was hearsay, they didn’t need to lie about it to still be untrue and absurd.
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      - wolverine876 5y ago
        Someone's personal story is not hearsay; it's the opposite. > they didn’t need to lie about it to still be untrue and absurd What basis do you have for saying it's untrue?
        brigandish 5y ago
        > As an ancedote, I was told That is hearsay. > What basis do you have for saying it's untrue? I was pointing out that it could be untrue without needing to be a lie. As to the “basis” for my saying it is untrue, I’ve been over that.
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        Repeating what someone told you that shaped your behavior in the past is anecdote. The information given was incorrect but your conclusion that this anecdote is hearsay is in error.
        wolverine876 5y ago
        > The information given was incorrect Why do you say that?
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > one that sounds absurd, by the way It sounds absurd to you, but isn't that your own ignorance? You weren't there; they were. I've heard many tell similar stories. Again, look in the NY Times from a few years ago; elite colleges not only accept it, but have tried to mitigate it. > one that actually sounds realistic Isn't this just saying that it agrees with what you already believe?
    - brigandish 5y ago
      > It sounds absurd to you, but isn't that your own ignorance? Or my experience. Of course, perhaps schools in poor areas really are pushing the children hard to go to extraordinary heights and it’s just the fault of poor people for being so damned useless that they ignore it or fail. Or, perhaps, there’s a middle ground to be found, but I doubt it includes people who no one would describe as bright being unaware of the scores they need to enter the next stage of education, if that’s what they desire.
      - wolverine876 5y ago
        > perhaps schools in poor areas really are pushing the children hard to go to extraordinary heights and it’s just the fault of poor people for being so damned useless that they ignore it or fail. That's not how I understood it - are we talking about the same comment. I understood the commenter to be saying that their school didn't give students the resources to understand and apply to top colleges, including basic understanding of colleges (e.g., who MIT is) and the admissions process. Are we talking about the same comment? The comment that you paraphrase is, I agree, absurd!

by yardie 5y ago

wolverine876 5y ago

It would be very interesting to hear your personal experience. But how can you make general statements about all poor schools?

brigandish 5y ago
He's responding to an anecdote - one that sounds absurd, by the way - so I would say that responding with an anecdote is fine, especially one that actually sounds realistic. Let's hear some anecdotes about being pushed hard in schools based in poor areas before dismissing it.
- sometimeshuman 5y ago
  "sounds absurd, by the way".. that perhaps explains all the downvotes. One of the surprises about getting older is that stories from your youth sound more and more absurd with time. I didn't grow up with the Internet and the "MIT whiz kid" wasn't common in movies/shows until the mid 90's and ever after. What was a thing during my high school days were the relentless TV commercials for tech schools masquerading as advanced degree institutions. Who lies on HN about a personal story BTW ? What would be the point.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > that perhaps explains all the downvotes The downvotes are the aggressive reactionary tide through HN, that rises and falls. Your personal observation suggests that some 'progressive' action might be valuable, that there's a systemic problem, and therefore it is shut down. Don't stop telling it please. We need more voices from the real world here.
  - brigandish 5y ago
    It was hearsay, they didn’t need to lie about it to still be untrue and absurd.
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    - wolverine876 5y ago
      Someone's personal story is not hearsay; it's the opposite. > they didn’t need to lie about it to still be untrue and absurd What basis do you have for saying it's untrue?
      - brigandish 5y ago
        > As an ancedote, I was told That is hearsay. > What basis do you have for saying it's untrue? I was pointing out that it could be untrue without needing to be a lie. As to the “basis” for my saying it is untrue, I’ve been over that.
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        Repeating what someone told you that shaped your behavior in the past is anecdote. The information given was incorrect but your conclusion that this anecdote is hearsay is in error.
        wolverine876 5y ago
        > The information given was incorrect Why do you say that?
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > one that sounds absurd, by the way It sounds absurd to you, but isn't that your own ignorance? You weren't there; they were. I've heard many tell similar stories. Again, look in the NY Times from a few years ago; elite colleges not only accept it, but have tried to mitigate it. > one that actually sounds realistic Isn't this just saying that it agrees with what you already believe?
  - brigandish 5y ago
    > It sounds absurd to you, but isn't that your own ignorance? Or my experience. Of course, perhaps schools in poor areas really are pushing the children hard to go to extraordinary heights and it’s just the fault of poor people for being so damned useless that they ignore it or fail. Or, perhaps, there’s a middle ground to be found, but I doubt it includes people who no one would describe as bright being unaware of the scores they need to enter the next stage of education, if that’s what they desire.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      > perhaps schools in poor areas really are pushing the children hard to go to extraordinary heights and it’s just the fault of poor people for being so damned useless that they ignore it or fail. That's not how I understood it - are we talking about the same comment. I understood the commenter to be saying that their school didn't give students the resources to understand and apply to top colleges, including basic understanding of colleges (e.g., who MIT is) and the admissions process. Are we talking about the same comment? The comment that you paraphrase is, I agree, absurd!