> The first name is Agnelli, the ones who say being fascist in Rome and socialist in Turin, Pirelli, FIMM (Magneti Marelli), Piaggio just to name few that still

> The first name is Agnelli, the ones who say being fascist in Rome and socialist in Turin, Pirelli, FIMM (Magneti Marelli), Piaggio just to name few that still exists today. Do you mean Elkann? :D :D :D Agnelli (I guess you mean Giovanni Agnelli, or "L'avvocato") also financed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolyatti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolyatti Which still exists Agnelli is simply the most popular scapegoat among Italian zeitgeist-ers, but only the older ones, who actually grew up with their parents telling them that he was the source of anyone problems, so I guess you're in your 50s and agree with Wu Ming because you think they are "real leftists"... > Actually in Italy there is exactly ZERO party I can vote, and exactly no left parties CVD: the man criticizing "l'uomo qualunque" (the average Joe) is the one expressing an average Joe's opinion. I am from a partisan family as well, all my family was communist and fought for the freedom of Italy from nazi-fascism, but the problem today on "our" side is exactly the nostalgic leftist, that person that between Ukraine and Russia shouts "take Italy out of NATO" > The same have happened in Germany, original nazism appear as a kind of "moderated socialism" It always start with this giant lie with people like you... I know where you come from, don't even try, it doesn't work with me. > The most left-ish read that three time are Fratelli d'Italia And here it is the "I was trained to recognize fascism" that goes out of the window! I'm not even curious to hear why, because I know very well why. Unfortunately... > be Partito Democristiano not Partito Democratico as I've said: you're part of the problem, not of the solution. You might as well voted for five stars, as the saying goes "if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it is a duck" > Prévenez vos gendarmes Sorry, I am born and raised Roman, I don't take lessons from those that tried too many times to destroy my city (and Italian lives with it), I side with the busts of Gianicolo, not with the heirs of napoleon, who let his troops stable their horses in the refectory were the Leonardo's "Last Supper" is, ruining it forever that then colonized Africa and lately put Libya in jeopardy just to put their hands on Italian ENI gas infrastructure over there... You know what's really funny? That the Umberto Eco's essay on the UR-fascism (that should be the topic of this post) is about exactly people like you. And about the reasons why fascism and nazism went to power, which is not to fight socialism. If you read it before jumping to the comment section, you'd know it. > 13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say. In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view – one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. To have a good instance of qualitative populism we no longer need the Piazza Venezia in Rome or the Nuremberg Stadium. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People. Because of its qualitative populism Ur-Fascism must be against "rotten" parliamentary governments. One of the first sentences uttered by Mussolini in the Italian parliament was "I could have transformed this deaf and gloomy place into a bivouac for my maniples" – "maniples" being a subdivision of the traditional Roman legion. As a matter of fact, he immediately found better housing for his maniples, but a little later he liquidated the parliament. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism. Doesn't it sounds strangely familiar to what you said? that, paraphrasing, more or less was - in Italy everybody is corrupt, only a few anglophones and criminal family matters - there's no real leftist party, the only good leftist party is the one that doesn't exists anymore, all the others are accomplices of the few anglophones and criminal families ruling the country aforementioned You're no Gaber or Pasolini, you're average Joe.