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Anonymous because I work there. I applied for a senior software engineer role and the interview process was similar. I got the job offer at the end of the proce
by nonymous314 5y ago
Anonymous because I work there. I applied for a senior software engineer role and the interview process was similar. I got the job offer at the end of the process and they sneakily changed the role to "Software Engineer 2" from the "Senior software engineer" role mentioned so prominently in the job postings and the interview invites. No one bothered mentioning this in any of the many face-to-face and email conversations that I had with people/managers/director/HR from Canonical. I wouldn't have applied for the job if they had not lied that it was for a senior software engineer role.
Due to my bad luck and my excitement about the job, I missed catching this till my first week at Canonical. This was a big mistake and I should have done better. When I found out about this and spoke to my manager about this, I got some ambiguous answer about how they mention "senior" in the job description to weed out junior folks from applying and that "software engineer 2" would be the appropriate role according to their internal engineering career path. He and his successor both agreed to pass on the feedback to the upper management but I am not sure if they did and if the feedback made any difference.
I ended up continuing since the team and the work was good. But this is unprofessional and unacceptable.
- Khelavaster 5y ago...so if you put "senior software engineer" on your resume for future positions, there's a clear case that SDE 2 aligns with "senior software engineer", just like SDE3 must align with "principal" or "staff" engineer. We know this because roles they advertise as senior software engineer are assigned an SDE2 title.
- nonymous314 5y agoMy issue is that no one explicitly mentioned this at all and I found out about it in my first week working there.
- charles_f 5y agoSde-2 in Amazon and Microsoft is the role below Sr-SDE. There's no standard for that though, what might be called a director in a startup might match sr in a fang. This doesn't matter as much as the responsibilities and cash you put in front of it. See https://levels.fyi https://levels.fyi
- timClicks 5y agoLeveling is very new to Canonical. So, SDE 2 is Senior there.
- nonymous314 5y agoI am fine with the so-called career path and leveling. What rubbed me the wrong way is that no one bothered mentioning it even though sneaked it into the offer letter. It is my mistake that I didn't catch it until it was too late. :(
- paxys 5y agoSome random advice – job titles mean absolutely nothing in the industry at large. Your years of experience isn't changing. Your salary (presumably) isn't changing. Call yourself "architect" or "code monkey" or whatever else you want, absolutely no one will care.
- nonymous314 5y agoThat is what I am doing - calling myself a 'Senior Software Engineer' in my current job. As someone who has been a "Senior software engineer" in the past couple of jobs, it would definitely look odd to say that I am a "Software Engineer - 2" in my current job as that would look like a stepdown in level.
- charles_f 5y agoUntrue. Recruiters will look at it, people down the line will look at it. Practically it doesn't matter, but for marketing purposes it does.