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I'm fine with child (prepubescent) rapists whom are adults to be sentenced to death. If you were an accomplice to that, as a videographer or similar, I'm also O

I'm fine with child (prepubescent) rapists whom are adults to be sentenced to death. If you were an accomplice to that, as a videographer or similar, I'm also OK with death. (There's a really weird social area from 13-18, with the weirdness and illegality going away up at 18. Stuff in this realm, especially around 2 similar ages, gets very stupid. This is where you can get 2 16yo's sexting and being charged with CSAM of their own body. I'm avoiding this in this post.) But what does this CSAM scanner do? It only catches already-produced pictures of CSAM. In other words, it's evidence of said crime. In no other area of criminal law is there a law against said evidence itself. And yes, given the statutory nature of these images (possession is criminal, even if you didnt' put them there), I'm not at all comfortable in charging people for simple possession. Even if they have urges of liking age-inappropriate pornography and "CSAM", as long as they're not doing any physical actions of harming humans, I'd much rather them do so in their own bedroom alone. Nor do I buy into the gateway theory that CSAM leads to production of CSAM by raping children. This smacks to me of the DARE drug propaganda and gateway theory (which is complete bullshit). And, we also already have harder situations that have been deemed legal: SCOTUS stated that Japanese Manga Hentai featuring schoolgirls (obviously under 18, sometimes by quite a lot), are completely and 100% legal. Again, SCOTUS foscused on 1fa and the fact that no children were harmed in its production. And that leads to what just happened a few days ago. With the Zelenskyy (badly done) deepfake, when can we expect 18yr women with very petite bodies, being deepfaked into 10-13 year olds? In those cases, we could attest that everyone in the production is of legal age and provided ongoing consent. Will this fall under the same as Hentai? Tl;Dr: I'm for the criminal legalization of CSAM. I'm for death penalty for child rapists/child sexual assault. But this, I can see going very very bad, in easily overscoping CSAM to the "cause of the day".

CharlesW 5y ago
> But what does this CSAM scanner do? It only catches already-produced pictures of CSAM. You say this as if it's bad to identify people who are distributing or collecting known child pornography. Are you recommending that companies implement technologies which go beyond this by not depending on a corpus of existing materials?
selimthegrim 5y ago
Are you a fan of giving said rapists the incentive to murder too, making prosecuting them that much harder?
KennyBlanken 5y ago
> I'm fine with child (prepubescent) rapists whom are adults to be sentenced to death. If you were an accomplice to that, as a videographer or similar, I'm also OK with death. The reliability of the criminal justice system, particularly in the US, is abhorrent. There's a long history of false convictions, particularly affecting people in minority outgroups and mentally disabled; we've executed adults who were so mentally incapacitated they were below a 10 year old in terms of mental capacity. The death penalty is highly immoral. There are tens of thousands of black men still in jail because they were basically the most convenient way for a police department to "solve" the murder or rape of a white woman and help their case clearance rates. Police, prosecutors, and forensic "experts" were complicit. "Hair analysis" is just one example of the pseudo-science nonsense. In Boston, a forensic chemist falsified thousands of test results and somehow this escaped notice despite her having a productivity level that was far and above virtually any other forensic chemist. Or, if you're not exceedingly gullible: her supervisors obviously knew what she was doing and didn't care, because she made their lab look great and prosecutors got lots of open-and-shut cases.

CharlesW 5y ago

> But what does this CSAM scanner do? It only catches already-produced pictures of CSAM. You say this as if it's bad to identify people who are distributing or collecting known child pornography. Are you recommending that companies implement technologies which go beyond this by not depending on a corpus of existing materials?

selimthegrim 5y ago

Are you a fan of giving said rapists the incentive to murder too, making prosecuting them that much harder?

KennyBlanken 5y ago

> I'm fine with child (prepubescent) rapists whom are adults to be sentenced to death. If you were an accomplice to that, as a videographer or similar, I'm also OK with death. The reliability of the criminal justice system, particularly in the US, is abhorrent. There's a long history of false convictions, particularly affecting people in minority outgroups and mentally disabled; we've executed adults who were so mentally incapacitated they were below a 10 year old in terms of mental capacity. The death penalty is highly immoral. There are tens of thousands of black men still in jail because they were basically the most convenient way for a police department to "solve" the murder or rape of a white woman and help their case clearance rates. Police, prosecutors, and forensic "experts" were complicit. "Hair analysis" is just one example of the pseudo-science nonsense. In Boston, a forensic chemist falsified thousands of test results and somehow this escaped notice despite her having a productivity level that was far and above virtually any other forensic chemist. Or, if you're not exceedingly gullible: her supervisors obviously knew what she was doing and didn't care, because she made their lab look great and prosecutors got lots of open-and-shut cases.