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Try hiring someone without a degree in healthcare: someone's life is on the line, not some rich man's toy.

by mgh2 5y ago

anonporridge 5y ago
Healthcare demonstrates the other extreme of the problem in my experience, where entrance to the field is gatekept by the medical education system to ensure that there's not an over supply of professionals that would put downward pressure on existing salaries.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Healthcare demonstrates the other extreme of the problem in my experience, where entrance to the field is gatekept by the medical education system to ensure that there's not an over supply of professionals that would put downward pressure on existing salaries. That's not a bad thing (to a point) when the entry-level qualification takes a massive amount of time, intense effort, and money to get; it's very important that they manage it so there's no oversupply. If you don't, then you'll have disasters like US legal education has been.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    Entry level qualifications probably shouldn't require that though; especially money. Society needs a lot of doctors. It doesn't need any english lit PhDs. Not to say the latter isn't without benefit.
oceanplexian 5y ago
Lots of people have jobs that put lives on the line, Pilots for example. They don’t need a college degree to do that safely, competently, or legally. The idea that healthcare is somehow a special snowflake is nonsense.
- mgh2 5y ago
  I think you are digressing from the main point. Most people who devalue education are viewing it from a privileged position (ex: tech). Parents on 3rd world countries know that education is still the safest way to a higher standard of living (not guaranteed though). There are no shortcuts to gain knowledge (degrees, training, self-taught, etc.). It is hard to vet someone if that person has not been through accredited programs - professional scammers can even fool interviewers. Aside from this, there is a big difference: would you trust a doctor to cure you without a medical degree? There is your answer.
  - cthalupa 5y ago
    >Aside from this, there is a big difference: would you trust a doctor to cure you without a medical degree? There is your answer. It depends. I had a recurring issue with pain and numbness in my elbow for a few years. I went to all sorts of well credentialed doctors, and every diagnosis they gave ended up being wrong. The person who cracked the case ended up being a random doctor at a hole in the wall clinic that had been the first person available to get an ear infection checked out. I mentioned my symptoms offhand while we were chatting, and he cracked it in about 3 minutes - nerve damage from leaning my elbow on my standing desk. He had a lot of practical experience with occupational related injuries, including nerve damage from poor fitting safety gear, etc. It wasn't his degree that let him find the root cause of my issue, but practical experience. On the other hand, there's lots of diseases where doctors need to keep up on the latest advancements in research, etc. I don't really know how this works - is it trade journals? Do all doctors in fields like this regularly read them, or papers on NCBI? Does a college degree help here? I don't know. I also don't know if I fundamentally disbelieve that someone couldn't be just as effective in these areas through a more practical learning approach than a college degree, either. But I'm not sure that I believe it, either. Medicine is a big field and not all parts of it - from my experience on the receiving end, at least - seem to require all the same skills to be successful.
kube-system 5y ago
Where did you get that impression? There are tons of people in healthcare without a degree. Quite common, even. You can make good money working in healthcare with as little as a certificate.
- mgh2 5y ago
  Please give examples. This refers to health's decision makers- doctors, nurses, etc. not secretaries

Try hiring someone without a degree in healthcare: someone's life is on the line, not some rich man's toy.

by mgh2 5y ago

Try hiring someone without a degree in healthcare: someone's life is on the line, not some rich man's toy.

Healthcare demonstrates the other extreme of the problem in my experience, where entrance to the field is gatekept by the medical education system to ensure that there's not an over supply of professionals that would put downward pressure on existing salaries.

tablespoon 5y ago
> Healthcare demonstrates the other extreme of the problem in my experience, where entrance to the field is gatekept by the medical education system to ensure that there's not an over supply of professionals that would put downward pressure on existing salaries. That's not a bad thing (to a point) when the entry-level qualification takes a massive amount of time, intense effort, and money to get; it's very important that they manage it so there's no oversupply. If you don't, then you'll have disasters like US legal education has been.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  Entry level qualifications probably shouldn't require that though; especially money. Society needs a lot of doctors. It doesn't need any english lit PhDs. Not to say the latter isn't without benefit.

oceanplexian 5y ago

Lots of people have jobs that put lives on the line, Pilots for example. They don’t need a college degree to do that safely, competently, or legally. The idea that healthcare is somehow a special snowflake is nonsense.

mgh2 5y ago
I think you are digressing from the main point. Most people who devalue education are viewing it from a privileged position (ex: tech). Parents on 3rd world countries know that education is still the safest way to a higher standard of living (not guaranteed though). There are no shortcuts to gain knowledge (degrees, training, self-taught, etc.). It is hard to vet someone if that person has not been through accredited programs - professional scammers can even fool interviewers. Aside from this, there is a big difference: would you trust a doctor to cure you without a medical degree? There is your answer.
- cthalupa 5y ago
  >Aside from this, there is a big difference: would you trust a doctor to cure you without a medical degree? There is your answer. It depends. I had a recurring issue with pain and numbness in my elbow for a few years. I went to all sorts of well credentialed doctors, and every diagnosis they gave ended up being wrong. The person who cracked the case ended up being a random doctor at a hole in the wall clinic that had been the first person available to get an ear infection checked out. I mentioned my symptoms offhand while we were chatting, and he cracked it in about 3 minutes - nerve damage from leaning my elbow on my standing desk. He had a lot of practical experience with occupational related injuries, including nerve damage from poor fitting safety gear, etc. It wasn't his degree that let him find the root cause of my issue, but practical experience. On the other hand, there's lots of diseases where doctors need to keep up on the latest advancements in research, etc. I don't really know how this works - is it trade journals? Do all doctors in fields like this regularly read them, or papers on NCBI? Does a college degree help here? I don't know. I also don't know if I fundamentally disbelieve that someone couldn't be just as effective in these areas through a more practical learning approach than a college degree, either. But I'm not sure that I believe it, either. Medicine is a big field and not all parts of it - from my experience on the receiving end, at least - seem to require all the same skills to be successful.

kube-system 5y ago

Where did you get that impression? There are tons of people in healthcare without a degree. Quite common, even. You can make good money working in healthcare with as little as a certificate.

mgh2 5y ago
Please give examples. This refers to health's decision makers- doctors, nurses, etc. not secretaries