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A single provider deciding to charge you 16% of your revenue is kind of unusual.

pavlov 5y ago
Apple’s App Store charges much more than that for a service that includes only very basic hosting of an application package.
- humanistbot 5y ago
  That is also egregious, but Apple and Google are getting away with it because they have a duopoly over mobile phone app stores. Not so with video hosting.
  - hallway_monitor 5y ago
    Isn't it so though? What viable alternatives exist?
    - johnnyanmac 5y ago
      Definitely educate me, but: what is Vimeo doing for a B2B solution that Youtube can't provide? You can provide unlisted videos (and that is something a few pareon users have done). It's odd because Vimeo was most known to me for hosting art portfolios, so seeing it denounce it's "indie" status is bewildering. I assume the advantage comes from providing uncompressed videos with extremely high bitrate. Which is an admittedly extremely niche market.
    - eigen 5y ago
      an alternative is Amazon Video Direct where content providers receive 50% of net revenue. seems like a worse deal than Apple & Google. https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&ref_=avd_sup_G202037410 https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&...
- syshum 5y ago
  I have never understood how pointing out another unethical policy justifies the first unethical policy It seems we as a society have lost the axiom of "2 wrongs do not make a right" as it is not just this area were I see people attempting to justify their wrongs based on the wrongs of others...
- giantrobot 5y ago
  > includes only very basic hosting of an application package Only basic hosting if you ignore all of the other services. You might consider the App Store's revenue share high but don't pretend the App Store is just a dumb file host.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    What else do they do besides provide a payments gateway ( that they force you to use)? As seen with Android, you don't need to use the official app store to use the official SDKs and platform APIs.
    - shuckles 5y ago
      Developing 3rd party frameworks is a meaningful expense. AOSP means Google made a business decision to incur that expense and sign away rights to it, but Apple hasn't.
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  And that is a bad thing.
ericpauley 5y ago
1%, the 3500 is yearly.
jahewson 5y ago
It’s 1% of revenue. You mixed up monthly and annual.
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hackernewds 5y ago
It's $3500 per year so costs more like 16%/12. Intentionally deceptive and also a very reasonable cost
- slenk 5y ago
  Not with a week to decide on such a massive hike
com2kid 5y ago
Consumer electronics. Make a device for $5, it'll sell on store shelves for $30, you may get $3-$5 of that. Everyone is super spoiled by the finances behind digital distribution methods.
- matt-attack 5y ago
  Try running an IHOP or the like. You’ll be keeping a dollar or two on that $15 entree.
  - letitbeirie 5y ago
    Or a gas station. Their margins are outrageous but only if they can get you to come inside - they're only making a cent or two off each gallon of gas they sell.
    - golem14 5y ago
      And yet: there are gas stations hundred feet away from each other that have gas prices tens of cents apart.
      - 8note 5y ago
        Which makes sense. They've found the best locations to sell gas from, and also the best places to receive large gas shipments and store enough gas to sell safely
    - saiya-jin 5y ago
      Here in Europe, some brands (that I consistently stay away from) like BP have consistently higher prices than rest of the market. We talk about competition of Eni, Shell, Total, Agip etc. Not meaning no-name questionable shops. I don't think they are that ineffective in manufacturing, renting/buying land, building infrastructure or paying much more. Some locations ask for higher prices just because they don't have any competition in area. And yes they charge easily 3x for stuff they know you will buy like redbulls, chocolate and so on.
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beachy 5y ago
Tell that to Google ads.
namlem 5y ago
More like 1.2% of her revenue.

Apple’s App Store charges much more than that for a service that includes only very basic hosting of an application package.

humanistbot 5y ago
That is also egregious, but Apple and Google are getting away with it because they have a duopoly over mobile phone app stores. Not so with video hosting.
- hallway_monitor 5y ago
  Isn't it so though? What viable alternatives exist?
  - johnnyanmac 5y ago
    Definitely educate me, but: what is Vimeo doing for a B2B solution that Youtube can't provide? You can provide unlisted videos (and that is something a few pareon users have done). It's odd because Vimeo was most known to me for hosting art portfolios, so seeing it denounce it's "indie" status is bewildering. I assume the advantage comes from providing uncompressed videos with extremely high bitrate. Which is an admittedly extremely niche market.
  - eigen 5y ago
    an alternative is Amazon Video Direct where content providers receive 50% of net revenue. seems like a worse deal than Apple & Google. https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&ref_=avd_sup_G202037410 https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&...
syshum 5y ago
I have never understood how pointing out another unethical policy justifies the first unethical policy It seems we as a society have lost the axiom of "2 wrongs do not make a right" as it is not just this area were I see people attempting to justify their wrongs based on the wrongs of others...
giantrobot 5y ago
> includes only very basic hosting of an application package Only basic hosting if you ignore all of the other services. You might consider the App Store's revenue share high but don't pretend the App Store is just a dumb file host.
- sofixa 5y ago
  What else do they do besides provide a payments gateway ( that they force you to use)? As seen with Android, you don't need to use the official app store to use the official SDKs and platform APIs.
  - shuckles 5y ago
    Developing 3rd party frameworks is a meaningful expense. AOSP means Google made a business decision to incur that expense and sign away rights to it, but Apple hasn't.
Brian_K_White 5y ago
And that is a bad thing.

ericpauley 5y ago

1%, the 3500 is yearly.

jahewson 5y ago

It’s 1% of revenue. You mixed up monthly and annual.

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hackernewds 5y ago

It's $3500 per year so costs more like 16%/12. Intentionally deceptive and also a very reasonable cost

slenk 5y ago
Not with a week to decide on such a massive hike

com2kid 5y ago

Consumer electronics. Make a device for $5, it'll sell on store shelves for $30, you may get $3-$5 of that. Everyone is super spoiled by the finances behind digital distribution methods.

matt-attack 5y ago
Try running an IHOP or the like. You’ll be keeping a dollar or two on that $15 entree.
- letitbeirie 5y ago
  Or a gas station. Their margins are outrageous but only if they can get you to come inside - they're only making a cent or two off each gallon of gas they sell.
  - golem14 5y ago
    And yet: there are gas stations hundred feet away from each other that have gas prices tens of cents apart.
    - 8note 5y ago
      Which makes sense. They've found the best locations to sell gas from, and also the best places to receive large gas shipments and store enough gas to sell safely
  - saiya-jin 5y ago
    Here in Europe, some brands (that I consistently stay away from) like BP have consistently higher prices than rest of the market. We talk about competition of Eni, Shell, Total, Agip etc. Not meaning no-name questionable shops. I don't think they are that ineffective in manufacturing, renting/buying land, building infrastructure or paying much more. Some locations ask for higher prices just because they don't have any competition in area. And yes they charge easily 3x for stuff they know you will buy like redbulls, chocolate and so on.
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beachy 5y ago

Tell that to Google ads.

namlem 5y ago

More like 1.2% of her revenue.