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The biggest power the media has isn't even to make you believe an active lie. It's the power to bury a story by simply neglecting it, and filling the media spac

by jerf 5y ago

The biggest power the media has isn't even to make you believe an active lie. It's the power to bury a story by simply neglecting it, and filling the media space with their own choices. The media is actively on the side of you living under heavy government surveillance. Act accordingly.

snarf21 5y ago
As said, people don't care. They will only push click bait because it is vastly more profitable. There is no such thing as news anymore, it is infotainment. Sowing faux outrage for profit is all.
gmuslera 5y ago
Consume even more Soma?
CerealFounder 5y ago
No its not, the larger media is the original "for pay algorithm" that shows you what ever makes you engage with their platform more (subscription & ad supported). There is no conspiracy or man behind the curtain. Simply put, complex stories resonate deeply with a small group and not at all with the majority. What you get from that is the current media landscape. Surveillance is a very complicated technical and moral story that only the smallest group cares about.
- akira2501 5y ago
  > the larger media is the original Concentration of media ownership has not been a constant factor over the past several decades and several laws have been changed to alter this reality in that time frame. As the purveyors of news get bought up and consolidated, it has almost certainly made this "information control" problem worse. > Surveillance is a very complicated technical "The government is spying on you" is not exceptionally complicated or technical. The fourth amendment is widely known and understood.
- calibas 5y ago
  The media's willful ignorance the Epstein case implies otherwise. This was a vast criminal conspiracy involving sex, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates and Harvard University, the kind of juicy gossip that the average person goes crazy over, and the mainstream media knew about it for years, but chose not to report it. The media was complicit in the coverup until it could be ignored no longer. They did the opposite of what an honest news media is supposed to do, and helped suppress one of the decades biggest news stories. That certainly implies something, and directly contradicts the "media just gives people what they want" meme/excuse.
  - mjreacher 5y ago
    There's plenty of sex related scandals that go on all the time that are 'open secrets' so to speak, another famous one being Harvey Weinstein. On one hand you can go in the conspiracy direction and say everyone was colluding to keep it secret, but on the other hand you can think about how little strong evidence there was and how these kinds of people would be very eager to sue for defamation if you accused them of anything.
    - 8bitsrule 5y ago
      Not to mention disappearances, suicides, heart attacks and plane crashes. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro]
    - calibas 5y ago
      Which creates a world where powerful people can get away with crimes and the victims are ignored even after they come forward. That means actual criminal conspiracies with powerful men pulling the strings. Also, if you think there was "little strong evidence" of what Epstein was up to, I have some good reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Legal_proceedings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Legal_proceedi...
      - mjreacher 5y ago
        Well yes, in capitalist countries generally rich people can get away with a lot of things others can't, in fact you can broaden that to any country or organization really. I'm well aware of what went on with Epstein, and if anything that goes against the idea that he's all powerful and can get away with anything, otherwise why would there have been any case against him in the first place?
late2part 5y ago
Agreed. And if you don't toe the line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio
- rendall 5y ago
  That's fucked up.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Elon Musk has certainly done worse.
mmh0000 5y ago
<sarcasm> Yes, the "media" is to blame. The media that did report on the spying. </sarcasm> Blaming "The Media" is really a cop-out. Anyone who reads anything beyond entertainment news knows about the degradation of our civil liberties, rights, and privacy over the last 20 years. It's not a secret, and "The Media" isn't covering it up. The sad, depressing, truth is that very few people overall care. Or they only care enough to say the disagree then go about ignoring it. Personally, I've tried to bring awareness, I've donated money to the EFF and ACLU, among other things. At this point it seems inevitable to get worse. I just wish the government would offer access or insights into the data the collect. If the government going to use tax dollars to collect all my data. They might as well turn it into a searchable service: "I know I email bob 20 years ago, I wish I could find that recipe I gave him". Maybe, they could email me with helpful things like "Y% of people in your area who google'd X, Y and Z had prostate cancer. You should talk to your doctor".
- technobabbler 5y ago
  > If the government going to use tax dollars to collect all my data. They might as well turn it into a searchable service: "I know I email bob 20 years ago, I wish I could find that recipe I gave him". Maybe, they could email me with helpful things like "Y% of people in your area who google'd X, Y and Z had prostate cancer. You should talk to your doctor". Yeah, exactly this!! If you must know all my financial transactions, can't you at least do my taxes for me? If you already know who I am all the time, why do I need like three forms of ID to get a updated driver's license? If you can track all the phones, do you really need to ask for name and phone number when I call 911? It's just bizarre how much data they collect and then... ignore? It didn't catch terrorists, it didn't stop the capitol storming, it doesn't stop school shootings... what exactly do they do with it all? It's like a pointless subsidy for hard drive manufacturers, where personal information goes to die. At least Google provides useful services in exchange for all the tracking. Even Facebook has the decency to let you connect with people you might know, and help you remember what you did 10 years ago. If the government just offered useful services in exchange, millions would willingly surrender their privacy. Most of us just aren't very interesting.
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by jerf 5y ago

snarf21 5y ago

As said, people don't care. They will only push click bait because it is vastly more profitable. There is no such thing as news anymore, it is infotainment. Sowing faux outrage for profit is all.

gmuslera 5y ago

Consume even more Soma?

CerealFounder 5y ago

No its not, the larger media is the original "for pay algorithm" that shows you what ever makes you engage with their platform more (subscription & ad supported). There is no conspiracy or man behind the curtain. Simply put, complex stories resonate deeply with a small group and not at all with the majority. What you get from that is the current media landscape. Surveillance is a very complicated technical and moral story that only the smallest group cares about.

akira2501 5y ago
> the larger media is the original Concentration of media ownership has not been a constant factor over the past several decades and several laws have been changed to alter this reality in that time frame. As the purveyors of news get bought up and consolidated, it has almost certainly made this "information control" problem worse. > Surveillance is a very complicated technical "The government is spying on you" is not exceptionally complicated or technical. The fourth amendment is widely known and understood.
calibas 5y ago
The media's willful ignorance the Epstein case implies otherwise. This was a vast criminal conspiracy involving sex, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates and Harvard University, the kind of juicy gossip that the average person goes crazy over, and the mainstream media knew about it for years, but chose not to report it. The media was complicit in the coverup until it could be ignored no longer. They did the opposite of what an honest news media is supposed to do, and helped suppress one of the decades biggest news stories. That certainly implies something, and directly contradicts the "media just gives people what they want" meme/excuse.
- mjreacher 5y ago
  There's plenty of sex related scandals that go on all the time that are 'open secrets' so to speak, another famous one being Harvey Weinstein. On one hand you can go in the conspiracy direction and say everyone was colluding to keep it secret, but on the other hand you can think about how little strong evidence there was and how these kinds of people would be very eager to sue for defamation if you accused them of anything.
  - 8bitsrule 5y ago
    Not to mention disappearances, suicides, heart attacks and plane crashes. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro]
  - calibas 5y ago
    Which creates a world where powerful people can get away with crimes and the victims are ignored even after they come forward. That means actual criminal conspiracies with powerful men pulling the strings. Also, if you think there was "little strong evidence" of what Epstein was up to, I have some good reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Legal_proceedings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Legal_proceedi...
    - mjreacher 5y ago
      Well yes, in capitalist countries generally rich people can get away with a lot of things others can't, in fact you can broaden that to any country or organization really. I'm well aware of what went on with Epstein, and if anything that goes against the idea that he's all powerful and can get away with anything, otherwise why would there have been any case against him in the first place?

late2part 5y ago

Agreed. And if you don't toe the line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

rendall 5y ago
That's fucked up.
encryptluks2 5y ago
Elon Musk has certainly done worse.

mmh0000 5y ago

<sarcasm> Yes, the "media" is to blame. The media that did report on the spying. </sarcasm> Blaming "The Media" is really a cop-out. Anyone who reads anything beyond entertainment news knows about the degradation of our civil liberties, rights, and privacy over the last 20 years. It's not a secret, and "The Media" isn't covering it up. The sad, depressing, truth is that very few people overall care. Or they only care enough to say the disagree then go about ignoring it. Personally, I've tried to bring awareness, I've donated money to the EFF and ACLU, among other things. At this point it seems inevitable to get worse. I just wish the government would offer access or insights into the data the collect. If the government going to use tax dollars to collect all my data. They might as well turn it into a searchable service: "I know I email bob 20 years ago, I wish I could find that recipe I gave him". Maybe, they could email me with helpful things like "Y% of people in your area who google'd X, Y and Z had prostate cancer. You should talk to your doctor".

technobabbler 5y ago
> If the government going to use tax dollars to collect all my data. They might as well turn it into a searchable service: "I know I email bob 20 years ago, I wish I could find that recipe I gave him". Maybe, they could email me with helpful things like "Y% of people in your area who google'd X, Y and Z had prostate cancer. You should talk to your doctor". Yeah, exactly this!! If you must know all my financial transactions, can't you at least do my taxes for me? If you already know who I am all the time, why do I need like three forms of ID to get a updated driver's license? If you can track all the phones, do you really need to ask for name and phone number when I call 911? It's just bizarre how much data they collect and then... ignore? It didn't catch terrorists, it didn't stop the capitol storming, it doesn't stop school shootings... what exactly do they do with it all? It's like a pointless subsidy for hard drive manufacturers, where personal information goes to die. At least Google provides useful services in exchange for all the tracking. Even Facebook has the decency to let you connect with people you might know, and help you remember what you did 10 years ago. If the government just offered useful services in exchange, millions would willingly surrender their privacy. Most of us just aren't very interesting.
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