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She makes around $25k a month from her videos, so paying $3.1k for hosting doesn't seem like an unusual cost. However, it's obvious that she derives no benefit

She makes around $25k a month from her videos, so paying $3.1k for hosting doesn't seem like an unusual cost. However, it's obvious that she derives no benefit from being able to control her own branding or whatever value-add that vimeo provides over youtube so putting it on an ad-supported platform like youtube probably just makes more sense for her.

bobitsaboy 5y ago
$3500 for hosting on top of what they already paid for hosting for the current length of their plan, with 7 days notice to vacate otherwise. And then how much next week? The week after that? How could anyone trust Vimeo as a provider for their business after this?
- spicybright 5y ago
  To add, this is why people serious about their business generally will enter into contracts with other businesses to ensure either side can't screw each other over. And it provides a clear transition plan if one party wants to leave.
  - asdfaoeu 5y ago
    For something thats $200/yr no one would be offering that.
    - spicybright 5y ago
      Then you'd pay more to use service that would if the corner stone of your business can crumble overnight.
    - longtimelistnr 5y ago
      No but you would expect price changes like this to be given advanced notice and implemented only after a current contract ends
    - throwaway81523 5y ago
      What? Of course they would. Send salespeople over to your office to negotiate terms, probably not. Standard contract with clear statement of fees, durations, renewals, etc? Pretty much any subscription service will have that. VPS on an annual plan, for example.
- hannasanarion 5y ago
  That 3500 is for a whole year. The per month cost is $300. That's 1.5% of the income that she gets from the videos.
  - gundmc 5y ago
    Revenue, not income*
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - bobitsaboy 5y ago
    The amount almost doesn't matter (it's definitely on the high side compared to alternatives). They can definitely afford it if they have a reasonable budget. However, how Vimeo has treated them as a paying customer is terrible.
    - KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
      What alternatives have you looked at? It's fair priced imo.
      - nacs 5y ago
        Hvae you heard of Youtube? They'll even pay for the videos instead.
        hannasanarion 5y ago
        Youtube is ad-supported. You can't upload videos more than 15 minutes long without letting Youtube put preroll and mid-roll ads all over them, and the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Creators don't want to force their paying Patreon supporters to watch ads for content that they paid for, and that can be leaked to the whole world if somebody merely ctrl-vs a bit of text.
somebodythere 5y ago
A single provider deciding to charge you 16% of your revenue is kind of unusual.
- pavlov 5y ago
  Apple’s App Store charges much more than that for a service that includes only very basic hosting of an application package.
  - humanistbot 5y ago
    That is also egregious, but Apple and Google are getting away with it because they have a duopoly over mobile phone app stores. Not so with video hosting.
    - hallway_monitor 5y ago
      Isn't it so though? What viable alternatives exist?
      - johnnyanmac 5y ago
        Definitely educate me, but: what is Vimeo doing for a B2B solution that Youtube can't provide? You can provide unlisted videos (and that is something a few pareon users have done). It's odd because Vimeo was most known to me for hosting art portfolios, so seeing it denounce it's "indie" status is bewildering. I assume the advantage comes from providing uncompressed videos with extremely high bitrate. Which is an admittedly extremely niche market.
      - eigen 5y ago
        an alternative is Amazon Video Direct where content providers receive 50% of net revenue. seems like a worse deal than Apple & Google. https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&ref_=avd_sup_G202037410 https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&...
  - syshum 5y ago
na85 5y ago
Where did you find the $25k/mo figure? TFA says that her most popular video has less than a thousand views.
- hannasanarion 5y ago
  From her patreon. She has 5600 patrons and her only subscription option is $5/mo. Her videos have only 4-digit views, but they are all multiple hours long Vimeo is asking for around $7/hour of video/year.
  - namlem 5y ago
    You actually can give lower amounts than the minimum on Patreon if you go into the setting iirc.
  - throwaway81523 5y ago
    "Less than 1000" is 3 digits rather than 4. What does the $7/hour mean? If it's $7/hour of viewing time, that is completely nuts. How many videos are there? If there is 1 video/week at 2 hours each and 1000 views each (this sounds like an overestimate), that's ~ 100k viewing hours, or 30 cents per hour, which seems like a lot, and it is a lower bound. At 1 mbit/second (this will vary but figure lots of mobile device clients) it's 45TB transferred or 7 cents per GB. Less crazy than AWS, but still pretty steep. Maybe this is an opportunity for someone. I'd like to know the actual numbers. Added: is there really even such a thing as B2B video on any scale? I would almost never think of watching video as a good use of company time. Any idea how much of previous Vimeo content could be reasonably described that way? EDIT: fixed math error.
    - rascul 5y ago
      > is there really even such a thing as B2B video on any scale? All I can come up with are training videos.

bobitsaboy 5y ago

$3500 for hosting on top of what they already paid for hosting for the current length of their plan, with 7 days notice to vacate otherwise. And then how much next week? The week after that? How could anyone trust Vimeo as a provider for their business after this?

spicybright 5y ago
To add, this is why people serious about their business generally will enter into contracts with other businesses to ensure either side can't screw each other over. And it provides a clear transition plan if one party wants to leave.
- asdfaoeu 5y ago
  For something thats $200/yr no one would be offering that.
  - spicybright 5y ago
    Then you'd pay more to use service that would if the corner stone of your business can crumble overnight.
  - longtimelistnr 5y ago
    No but you would expect price changes like this to be given advanced notice and implemented only after a current contract ends
  - throwaway81523 5y ago
    What? Of course they would. Send salespeople over to your office to negotiate terms, probably not. Standard contract with clear statement of fees, durations, renewals, etc? Pretty much any subscription service will have that. VPS on an annual plan, for example.
hannasanarion 5y ago
That 3500 is for a whole year. The per month cost is $300. That's 1.5% of the income that she gets from the videos.
- gundmc 5y ago
  Revenue, not income*
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- bobitsaboy 5y ago
  The amount almost doesn't matter (it's definitely on the high side compared to alternatives). They can definitely afford it if they have a reasonable budget. However, how Vimeo has treated them as a paying customer is terrible.
  - KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
    What alternatives have you looked at? It's fair priced imo.
    - nacs 5y ago
      Hvae you heard of Youtube? They'll even pay for the videos instead.
      - hannasanarion 5y ago
        Youtube is ad-supported. You can't upload videos more than 15 minutes long without letting Youtube put preroll and mid-roll ads all over them, and the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Creators don't want to force their paying Patreon supporters to watch ads for content that they paid for, and that can be leaked to the whole world if somebody merely ctrl-vs a bit of text.

somebodythere 5y ago

A single provider deciding to charge you 16% of your revenue is kind of unusual.

pavlov 5y ago
Apple’s App Store charges much more than that for a service that includes only very basic hosting of an application package.
- humanistbot 5y ago
  That is also egregious, but Apple and Google are getting away with it because they have a duopoly over mobile phone app stores. Not so with video hosting.
  - hallway_monitor 5y ago
    Isn't it so though? What viable alternatives exist?
    - johnnyanmac 5y ago
      Definitely educate me, but: what is Vimeo doing for a B2B solution that Youtube can't provide? You can provide unlisted videos (and that is something a few pareon users have done). It's odd because Vimeo was most known to me for hosting art portfolios, so seeing it denounce it's "indie" status is bewildering. I assume the advantage comes from providing uncompressed videos with extremely high bitrate. Which is an admittedly extremely niche market.
    - eigen 5y ago
      an alternative is Amazon Video Direct where content providers receive 50% of net revenue. seems like a worse deal than Apple & Google. https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&ref_=avd_sup_G202037410 https://videodirect.amazon.com/home/help?topicId=G202037410&...
- syshum 5y ago

na85 5y ago

Where did you find the $25k/mo figure? TFA says that her most popular video has less than a thousand views.

hannasanarion 5y ago
From her patreon. She has 5600 patrons and her only subscription option is $5/mo. Her videos have only 4-digit views, but they are all multiple hours long Vimeo is asking for around $7/hour of video/year.
- namlem 5y ago
  You actually can give lower amounts than the minimum on Patreon if you go into the setting iirc.
- throwaway81523 5y ago
  "Less than 1000" is 3 digits rather than 4. What does the $7/hour mean? If it's $7/hour of viewing time, that is completely nuts. How many videos are there? If there is 1 video/week at 2 hours each and 1000 views each (this sounds like an overestimate), that's ~ 100k viewing hours, or 30 cents per hour, which seems like a lot, and it is a lower bound. At 1 mbit/second (this will vary but figure lots of mobile device clients) it's 45TB transferred or 7 cents per GB. Less crazy than AWS, but still pretty steep. Maybe this is an opportunity for someone. I'd like to know the actual numbers. Added: is there really even such a thing as B2B video on any scale? I would almost never think of watching video as a good use of company time. Any idea how much of previous Vimeo content could be reasonably described that way? EDIT: fixed math error.
  - rascul 5y ago
    > is there really even such a thing as B2B video on any scale? All I can come up with are training videos.