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Setting the story straight on quite a few issues

15 points by wglb 5y ago

rektide 5y ago
I do see an enormously & overwhelmingly critical perspective on this site, see critiques & criticisms & disbelief strongly expressed in article after article after article. Alas most of the criticism of HN as a site is non-constructive, arrives only after someone blows their top. We should be thankful for a post like this where we can stare in the mirror some, with only so so distortion, understand what our own gaze is & looks like. A lot of the presence of so much negativity is just the nature of the net/communication. Those who like & enjoy a thing only occasionally have anything to add. "+1" is a button, not a message. The heat & zeal of criticism, of someone else being erong on the internet, sets a much bigger fire under folk. This isnt a thought particular to HN, but i do think it's worth goong back & experimenting with more meta-moderative systems. Identifying not hust up-vote doen-vote good/bad, but whether users are making positive or negative contributions is a dimension I'd like to explore more, particularly over time. So we can, when we run into comments, form a more general ssessment of a person's nature g demeanor. Karma tells me very little to be honest, karma/posts only a little more but not much. Assessing each other & also getting to learn more about ourselves is of huge interest to me. Let there be more sunshine!
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rendall 5y ago
Well, as I said in the other thread, I'd be pleased as punch to have someone like this on my team / side professionally, even if / especially when it meant hearing that something wasn't going well.
jitl 5y ago
- Ourgon 5y ago
  I wonder why you feel the need to bring up identity here. Don't, it does not add anything, detracts from the discussion and leads to nothing good.
  - awillen 5y ago
    Really? You are a deeply naive person if you think gender doesn't affect the types of comments people get on HN. And this being a post about comments on HN, it's clearly wrong to say that bringing up a highly relevant issue doesn't add anything.
- HL33tibCe7 5y ago
  Unpopular opinion: she would get more shitty comments, and less traction on here
raziel2p 5y ago
Could use a (2020) in the title.
Twirrim 5y ago
> I tell you, my stuff breaks on me. I don't MAKE it break. For most of my career people have been marveling about the way stuff just breaks around me. Ever since Netflix announced "chaos monkey", I've been nicknamed as that by co-workers. In the early days of the org I'm on, pre-public launch, they'd routinely ask us to sit down and carry out a specific set of actions using the product. 15 of us would sit down, click the specific buttons in the same order, and 14 would succeed. I'd find the weird edge case. Over and over again. It's even more bizarre during my on-call shifts, when stuff I have absolutely zero involvement with breaks in bizarre and random ways that ends up having an outsized impact on the services I'm responsible for. Like, stuff I've zero ownership, zero communication with the team that owns it, no code, nothing, breaks when I'm on-call. It's so bizarre, and pronounced, at one stage you could actually see it in metrics, an $x week spike that correlates with my time on-call.
Simon_O_Rourke 5y ago
The classic storm in a teacup blown out of all proportion, turned into some zealous pursuit of human rights and freedom of expression. Bad stuff went down, it happens to us all every once and a while. I earnestly think it's shitty it happened at all and hope you can put it behind you.
bArray 5y ago
In reply of a now flagged/dead comment: > jitl: I wonder how many fewer shitty HN comments the author would get with a website named kevinbythebay.com Gender/identity really plays very little into how I've perceived the content over the years. It's mostly interesting snippets with just about the right amount of story telling. I would go as far as to say it would annoy the hell out of me if the content was about only about identity. That said, some of the "shitty HN comments" are just valid criticisms or observations. Part of putting this material out into the world is to invite the reply of others, either in a comments section, verbally or just within their own minds. Sometimes your readers will engage negatively with your content, but the engagement with Rachel's content is overwhelmingly positive (it almost always gets to the front page here).
steve76 5y ago

15 points by wglb 5y ago

I do see an enormously & overwhelmingly critical perspective on this site, see critiques & criticisms & disbelief strongly expressed in article after article after article. Alas most of the criticism of HN as a site is non-constructive, arrives only after someone blows their top. We should be thankful for a post like this where we can stare in the mirror some, with only so so distortion, understand what our own gaze is & looks like. A lot of the presence of so much negativity is just the nature of the net/communication. Those who like & enjoy a thing only occasionally have anything to add. "+1" is a button, not a message. The heat & zeal of criticism, of someone else being erong on the internet, sets a much bigger fire under folk. This isnt a thought particular to HN, but i do think it's worth goong back & experimenting with more meta-moderative systems. Identifying not hust up-vote doen-vote good/bad, but whether users are making positive or negative contributions is a dimension I'd like to explore more, particularly over time. So we can, when we run into comments, form a more general ssessment of a person's nature g demeanor. Karma tells me very little to be honest, karma/posts only a little more but not much. Assessing each other & also getting to learn more about ourselves is of huge interest to me. Let there be more sunshine!

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rendall 5y ago

Well, as I said in the other thread, I'd be pleased as punch to have someone like this on my team / side professionally, even if / especially when it meant hearing that something wasn't going well.

jitl 5y ago

Ourgon 5y ago
I wonder why you feel the need to bring up identity here. Don't, it does not add anything, detracts from the discussion and leads to nothing good.
- awillen 5y ago
  Really? You are a deeply naive person if you think gender doesn't affect the types of comments people get on HN. And this being a post about comments on HN, it's clearly wrong to say that bringing up a highly relevant issue doesn't add anything.
HL33tibCe7 5y ago
Unpopular opinion: she would get more shitty comments, and less traction on here

raziel2p 5y ago

Could use a (2020) in the title.

Twirrim 5y ago

> I tell you, my stuff breaks on me. I don't MAKE it break. For most of my career people have been marveling about the way stuff just breaks around me. Ever since Netflix announced "chaos monkey", I've been nicknamed as that by co-workers. In the early days of the org I'm on, pre-public launch, they'd routinely ask us to sit down and carry out a specific set of actions using the product. 15 of us would sit down, click the specific buttons in the same order, and 14 would succeed. I'd find the weird edge case. Over and over again. It's even more bizarre during my on-call shifts, when stuff I have absolutely zero involvement with breaks in bizarre and random ways that ends up having an outsized impact on the services I'm responsible for. Like, stuff I've zero ownership, zero communication with the team that owns it, no code, nothing, breaks when I'm on-call. It's so bizarre, and pronounced, at one stage you could actually see it in metrics, an $x week spike that correlates with my time on-call.

Simon_O_Rourke 5y ago

The classic storm in a teacup blown out of all proportion, turned into some zealous pursuit of human rights and freedom of expression. Bad stuff went down, it happens to us all every once and a while. I earnestly think it's shitty it happened at all and hope you can put it behind you.

bArray 5y ago

In reply of a now flagged/dead comment: > jitl: I wonder how many fewer shitty HN comments the author would get with a website named kevinbythebay.com Gender/identity really plays very little into how I've perceived the content over the years. It's mostly interesting snippets with just about the right amount of story telling. I would go as far as to say it would annoy the hell out of me if the content was about only about identity. That said, some of the "shitty HN comments" are just valid criticisms or observations. Part of putting this material out into the world is to invite the reply of others, either in a comments section, verbally or just within their own minds. Sometimes your readers will engage negatively with your content, but the engagement with Rachel's content is overwhelmingly positive (it almost always gets to the front page here).

steve76 5y ago