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Maybe Orson Scott Card is right. Maybe Brazil will be a place of great influence in the future. I would very seriously consider moving to a country that actual

Maybe Orson Scott Card is right. Maybe Brazil will be a place of great influence in the future. I would very seriously consider moving to a country that actually focused on governing its people while allowing business to continue in an intelligent fashion. Sadly, I don't know where that would be at the moment, but I wouldn't feel bad about learning Portuguese if it turned out to be Brazil.

nandemo 15y ago
> Sadly, I don't know where that would be at the moment At the moment that would probably be the US, or Canada, or one of the European powers. Probably not any emerging country. Certainly not Brazil. I'm Brazilian. Brazil has come a long way in the past 20 years, but corruption is still way worse than the corruption that happens in the US. To sum up, in the US you have a music industry lobby donating money to candidates which then vote in favor of copyright laws. In Brazil we have Colombian drug lords associated with the ruling party. Just because people in UK and US are protesting in the streets it doesn't mean that things are in any way close to the crap that happens in developing countries. It just means you have different standards.
- ra 15y ago
  > I would very seriously consider moving to a country that actually focused on governing its people while allowing business to continue in an intelligent fashion. Iceland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway come to mind. Ireland has a pretty good business environment too.
  - getsat 15y ago
    > Ireland has a pretty good business environment too. Definitely. Too bad about the economy, though.
- dizidoro 15y ago
  "In Brazil we have Colombian drug lords associated with the ruling party." I'm also from Brasil. Whhaaat?? from where did you take this man? there is no evidence or anything about that, don't just say things you can't prove. Thats not even on the good media.
  - gcb 15y ago
    You are probably from sao paulo, like me. Original poster is probably from rio.
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      I tend to agree. Drugs are a big part of Rio's politics. Sadly.
  - diego_moita 15y ago
    From Brazil too. Before the last presidential election, the newspaper Estado de Sao Paulo and the magazine Veja published articles showing that the FARC (Colombian guerrilla group supported by drug dealers) donated money for the Worker's Party (PT) campaign.
  - nandemo 15y ago
    > don't just say things you can't prove. It was on Estado de Sao Paulo e Veja, as diego_moita said. (in English) http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brazilian_President_party_received_money_from_FARC,_say_documents http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brazilian_President_party_receiv... (in Portuguese) http://pt.wikinews.org/wiki/FARC_pedem_para_participar_mais_ativamente_do_Foro_de_S%C3%A3o_Paulo http://pt.wikinews.org/wiki/FARC_pedem_para_participar_mais_... Info on a related incident was leaked to wikileaks too. http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/07/06BRASILIA1511.html http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/07/06BRASILIA1511.html > In a decision taken and kept in secret, the Brazilian National Committee on Refuges (CONARE) July 14 granted political refugee status to Francisco Antonio Cadena Collazos (known in Brazil as Olivera Medina), the so-called Ambassador to Brazil of the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia), who was arrested in Brazil in August 2005 at the request of Interpol, based on a Colombian arrest warrant which included charges of murder for terrorist purposes, kidnapping, extortion and terrorism.
    - gldalmaso 15y ago
      Being in the media is not any kind of proof, specially the media you just cited.
- wnight 15y ago
  Hey, learn from our mistakes. Don't stop when corruption is down to manageable levels and pretend it's all good. Go all the way. Don't stop till you've got a transparent society and then come help us get one! If the company that employed you found you secretly dealing with one of their competitors you'd be fired and tossed off the premises immediately. Why do we accept less from our politicians?
andos 15y ago
I did just that -- moved to Brazil to start a company -- but for different reasons. Believe me, stupid copyright laws are the smallest obstacle for any new business. The absurd bureaucracy, the lack of credit and the escalating taxes, however... Try Chile.
- stalf 15y ago
  Brazilian here, and I have to agree with you on that. It's so bad to start a company here that many start-ups are going to other countries trying to ease their way. Taxes and bureaucracy are insane here.
- nandemo 15y ago
  Bureaucracy and taxes are bad indeed, but on the good side you can make good money on consulting alone, and living cost is much lower than in US. Can you tell us the name of your company?

nandemo 15y ago

> Sadly, I don't know where that would be at the moment At the moment that would probably be the US, or Canada, or one of the European powers. Probably not any emerging country. Certainly not Brazil. I'm Brazilian. Brazil has come a long way in the past 20 years, but corruption is still way worse than the corruption that happens in the US. To sum up, in the US you have a music industry lobby donating money to candidates which then vote in favor of copyright laws. In Brazil we have Colombian drug lords associated with the ruling party. Just because people in UK and US are protesting in the streets it doesn't mean that things are in any way close to the crap that happens in developing countries. It just means you have different standards.

ra 15y ago
> I would very seriously consider moving to a country that actually focused on governing its people while allowing business to continue in an intelligent fashion. Iceland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway come to mind. Ireland has a pretty good business environment too.
- getsat 15y ago
  > Ireland has a pretty good business environment too. Definitely. Too bad about the economy, though.
dizidoro 15y ago
"In Brazil we have Colombian drug lords associated with the ruling party." I'm also from Brasil. Whhaaat?? from where did you take this man? there is no evidence or anything about that, don't just say things you can't prove. Thats not even on the good media.
- gcb 15y ago
  You are probably from sao paulo, like me. Original poster is probably from rio.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    I tend to agree. Drugs are a big part of Rio's politics. Sadly.
- diego_moita 15y ago
  From Brazil too. Before the last presidential election, the newspaper Estado de Sao Paulo and the magazine Veja published articles showing that the FARC (Colombian guerrilla group supported by drug dealers) donated money for the Worker's Party (PT) campaign.
- nandemo 15y ago
  > don't just say things you can't prove. It was on Estado de Sao Paulo e Veja, as diego_moita said. (in English) http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brazilian_President_party_received_money_from_FARC,_say_documents http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brazilian_President_party_receiv... (in Portuguese) http://pt.wikinews.org/wiki/FARC_pedem_para_participar_mais_ativamente_do_Foro_de_S%C3%A3o_Paulo http://pt.wikinews.org/wiki/FARC_pedem_para_participar_mais_... Info on a related incident was leaked to wikileaks too. http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/07/06BRASILIA1511.html http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/07/06BRASILIA1511.html > In a decision taken and kept in secret, the Brazilian National Committee on Refuges (CONARE) July 14 granted political refugee status to Francisco Antonio Cadena Collazos (known in Brazil as Olivera Medina), the so-called Ambassador to Brazil of the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia), who was arrested in Brazil in August 2005 at the request of Interpol, based on a Colombian arrest warrant which included charges of murder for terrorist purposes, kidnapping, extortion and terrorism.
  - gldalmaso 15y ago
    Being in the media is not any kind of proof, specially the media you just cited.
wnight 15y ago
Hey, learn from our mistakes. Don't stop when corruption is down to manageable levels and pretend it's all good. Go all the way. Don't stop till you've got a transparent society and then come help us get one! If the company that employed you found you secretly dealing with one of their competitors you'd be fired and tossed off the premises immediately. Why do we accept less from our politicians?

andos 15y ago

I did just that -- moved to Brazil to start a company -- but for different reasons. Believe me, stupid copyright laws are the smallest obstacle for any new business. The absurd bureaucracy, the lack of credit and the escalating taxes, however... Try Chile.

stalf 15y ago
Brazilian here, and I have to agree with you on that. It's so bad to start a company here that many start-ups are going to other countries trying to ease their way. Taxes and bureaucracy are insane here.
nandemo 15y ago
Bureaucracy and taxes are bad indeed, but on the good side you can make good money on consulting alone, and living cost is much lower than in US. Can you tell us the name of your company?