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So, in order to exploit and pillage colonies, you need to already be so overwhelmingly more powerful and rich than they that you can colonize them. Otherwise,

So, in order to exploit and pillage colonies, you need to already be so overwhelmingly more powerful and rich than they that you can colonize them. Otherwise, you're just warring with your neighbors (does anyone say the Norse colonized the Saxon land of England? Did the Normans colonize France?) So the question remains: How did Europe quickly go from inferior to their neighbors in the ~1200s to colonizing the world by the 1700s?

zouhair 5y ago
Mongols are proof of the opposite. I'd argue that Europe got militarily advanced because European countries were literally constantly in a state of war and they had to adapt.
- criley2 5y ago
  I don't think that the Mongols are proof of the opposite, as evidenced by the fact that they, like "world conquerors" before them like Alexander the Great, failed to colonize the places they conquered, and those places largely returned to their former political systems within a generation or two with very little evidence of Mongol rule. The Mongol state extracted little in the way of wealth and power that didn't come directly from conquest. Colonization as we know it is more than just conquest and pillaging and setting up a loyalist government (did Napoleon colonize all of Europe? Was Hitler a colonizer?), its a reorganization of the state into an economic tool of the Colonizer country. There was no colonization or exploitations by the Mongol state that lasted after the figurehead died, while the European colonization not only lasted for centuries, it was reinforced generation after generation with continuing military force and by economic systems designed to basically transform the entire colony and all its people into an economic machine for the host state. Also, the idea that Europe was constantly at war and other places weren't is very Euro-centric, and I don't blame you because our schools teach ridiculous minutiae of centuries old European politics while not even touching a single iota of say Chinese history or Indian history or African history, so to us, we literally don't know about those regions' and civilizations' millennia's of wars.
- wsc981 5y ago
  Also cold winters, so farming was difficult in northern europe during winter. People had to store food for winter. Wintertime could be spend on other things than farming, e.g. science.
walkhour 5y ago
This is the reason, exploitation and colonization are the consequences of more power and wealth, not the causes. > How did Europe quickly go from inferior to their neighbors in the ~1200s to colonizing the world by the 1700s This is the question that needs to be answered. Guns, germs and steel attempts it
- AniseAbyss 5y ago
  European ships, canons and muskets were already superior to anything found elsewhere in the world by the 16th century. That is why Portuguese ships could sail to India and pressure the locals despite being vastly outnumbered.
bakuninsbart 5y ago
> So the question remains: How did Europe quickly go from inferior to their neighbors in the ~1200s to colonizing the world by the 1700s? Colonization started more than 200 years earlier. I'm deeply suspicious of these theories seeking to unify an explanation of the development of centuries, even more so if the ideology used to explain an era is coincidentally the dominating one today. Just to point out two hugely important factors that have nothing to do with free market competition: - Europe is geographically close to the Americas compared to the Middle East and East Asia. - The introduction of New World crops like potato massively increased agricultural yields.

zouhair 5y ago

Mongols are proof of the opposite. I'd argue that Europe got militarily advanced because European countries were literally constantly in a state of war and they had to adapt.

criley2 5y ago
I don't think that the Mongols are proof of the opposite, as evidenced by the fact that they, like "world conquerors" before them like Alexander the Great, failed to colonize the places they conquered, and those places largely returned to their former political systems within a generation or two with very little evidence of Mongol rule. The Mongol state extracted little in the way of wealth and power that didn't come directly from conquest. Colonization as we know it is more than just conquest and pillaging and setting up a loyalist government (did Napoleon colonize all of Europe? Was Hitler a colonizer?), its a reorganization of the state into an economic tool of the Colonizer country. There was no colonization or exploitations by the Mongol state that lasted after the figurehead died, while the European colonization not only lasted for centuries, it was reinforced generation after generation with continuing military force and by economic systems designed to basically transform the entire colony and all its people into an economic machine for the host state. Also, the idea that Europe was constantly at war and other places weren't is very Euro-centric, and I don't blame you because our schools teach ridiculous minutiae of centuries old European politics while not even touching a single iota of say Chinese history or Indian history or African history, so to us, we literally don't know about those regions' and civilizations' millennia's of wars.
wsc981 5y ago
Also cold winters, so farming was difficult in northern europe during winter. People had to store food for winter. Wintertime could be spend on other things than farming, e.g. science.

walkhour 5y ago

This is the reason, exploitation and colonization are the consequences of more power and wealth, not the causes. > How did Europe quickly go from inferior to their neighbors in the ~1200s to colonizing the world by the 1700s This is the question that needs to be answered. Guns, germs and steel attempts it

AniseAbyss 5y ago
European ships, canons and muskets were already superior to anything found elsewhere in the world by the 16th century. That is why Portuguese ships could sail to India and pressure the locals despite being vastly outnumbered.

bakuninsbart 5y ago

> So the question remains: How did Europe quickly go from inferior to their neighbors in the ~1200s to colonizing the world by the 1700s? Colonization started more than 200 years earlier. I'm deeply suspicious of these theories seeking to unify an explanation of the development of centuries, even more so if the ideology used to explain an era is coincidentally the dominating one today. Just to point out two hugely important factors that have nothing to do with free market competition: - Europe is geographically close to the Americas compared to the Middle East and East Asia. - The introduction of New World crops like potato massively increased agricultural yields.