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Babel is a massive project which at a point was key for any web project. And 300k is good for how many full time people. In the US maybe 3? Not that I have any

by oaiey 5y ago

Babel is a massive project which at a point was key for any web project. And 300k is good for how many full time people. In the US maybe 3? Not that I have any insights, but we should never forget, that we stand on the shoulders of Giants. And the giant is overall massively underpaid.

kayodelycaon 5y ago
Probably closer to 1.5 people in the US. Unless they have some means of getting health insurance for free and not paying taxes on their income.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  and that’s borderline, a seasoned dev can find better offers at that rate… and with more benefits senior devs easily cost a company $200k between taxes, insurance, and benefits
  - kayodelycaon 5y ago
    Yup. I was assuming $200k total cost for a senior developer in the Midwest. If you want someone on the West coast, you’re easily looking at $300k for just the salary due to the cost of living being more than double.
PaywallBuster 5y ago
Sure 300k barely supports US market rates, but should it? There's plenty of people working the same job for many years with low-ish salary? Sure they could find new one and get the latest high market but they haven't I mean the project was already being developed before even having full time staff, and some contributors are not in the US and could live less for sure many OSS projects can go a long way the same way and that's the point, why should babel take "a big chunk" of OSS donations, while many others take nothing and looking at another comment below, seems it's becoming irrelevant, so it would make sense to reduce funding further and let staff to move away to other projects or take full time employment at a profit making organization and take market rates.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  Babel should get however much of the donations as people want to donate to it. If other projects want more donations, they should be looking to users of their project, not to users of babel. If babel users become unhappy, the pace of donations will decrease naturally. That’s a good thing, IMO.

by oaiey 5y ago

kayodelycaon 5y ago

Probably closer to 1.5 people in the US. Unless they have some means of getting health insurance for free and not paying taxes on their income.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
and that’s borderline, a seasoned dev can find better offers at that rate… and with more benefits senior devs easily cost a company $200k between taxes, insurance, and benefits
- kayodelycaon 5y ago
  Yup. I was assuming $200k total cost for a senior developer in the Midwest. If you want someone on the West coast, you’re easily looking at $300k for just the salary due to the cost of living being more than double.

PaywallBuster 5y ago

Sure 300k barely supports US market rates, but should it? There's plenty of people working the same job for many years with low-ish salary? Sure they could find new one and get the latest high market but they haven't I mean the project was already being developed before even having full time staff, and some contributors are not in the US and could live less for sure many OSS projects can go a long way the same way and that's the point, why should babel take "a big chunk" of OSS donations, while many others take nothing and looking at another comment below, seems it's becoming irrelevant, so it would make sense to reduce funding further and let staff to move away to other projects or take full time employment at a profit making organization and take market rates.

sokoloff 5y ago
Babel should get however much of the donations as people want to donate to it. If other projects want more donations, they should be looking to users of their project, not to users of babel. If babel users become unhappy, the pace of donations will decrease naturally. That’s a good thing, IMO.