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- scorpion032 15y agoThis was a project Mark worked on his employer's time. Thats why it is different.
- stephth 15y agoDifferent from what? What do you mean? I'm super confused. A couple hours ago the two top stories were about mark pilgrim having done what looked like an info suicide. I came back here to check on that and the stories are nowhere to be seen on the first two pages of HN. What happened?
- skrebbel 15y agoLooks like someone at HN stopped an attention whore from attention whoring too much. Censorship, yes, but nice censorship.
- acavailhez 15y agoIs Pilgrim the attention whore ? Can you elaborate on why it was a good move to censor the stories ? I'm really confused by this story. Also, jonathantneal, why is your name showing up green ?
- Luyt 15y agoNames of new users are green. 'jonathantneal' registered 3 hours ago (it's now 09:08 CEST).
- j_col 15y agoI'm sorry, but no censorship is nice in a site that is supposed to be about content getting up-voted/down-voted by a community.
- jrockway 15y agoThere's no downvoting, though. Hence, moderators sometimes remove articles that are popular but don't belong here. Just because something is popular among HN readers doesn't mean it needs to be on HN, and the mods balance out the natural Way Of The Universe in that case. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this, but am just stating how things work here. There is no reason to expect that you aren't being censored; ultimately this site is for advertising YC, not for being an impartial news filter.
- j_col 15y agoYou right of course, I was mistakenly thinking of comments getting down-voted, but articles cannot. > There is no reason to expect that you aren't being censored; ultimately this site is for advertising YC, not for being an impartial news filter. Yeah, it's important to keep sight of that, and frankly in that case it makes me wonder why I should continue to come back here?
- stephth 15y agoYeah, it's important to keep sight of that, and frankly in that case it makes me wonder why I should continue to come back here? Same here. That's why I'm so interested in what happened backstage with these stories. I've contacted the mail link on the Guidelines section for some light but haven't received a reply yet.
- Luyt 15y agoMark is fine. See update on http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/10/04/searching-for-mark-pilgrim/ http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/10/04/searching-for-m... Previous HN threads: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3073798 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3073798 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3073842 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3073842
- stephth 15y agoBoth stories have more than 200 votes and are only a few hours old. Mark Pilgrim doing an info suicide is newsworthy and obviously a lot of people care about it, so can someone explain how and why those stories have been kicked out of the first HN pages?
- andrewljohnson 15y agoI imagine they got flagged to death by reasonable people, or a moderator star-chambered them. Either way, good riddance. Mark didn't want them there, obviously, and neither did anyone except rubbernecking thrill-chasers. It was ridiculous to think the guy was in trouble or to send the freaking police to his house. The man has friends, family, and co-workers, and the people who surfaced this story didn't so much care if he was alright (because they weren't his friends) so much as they wanted a few seconds of internet fame for being the first to notice the data wipe. The story should have been posted as "Lookie, lookie - Mark Pilgrim disappeared from the internet!" That would have been fine. Instead, it was the morbid internet at its worst.
- stephth 15y agoMark didn't want them there, obviously, and neither did anyone except rubbernecking thrill-chasers. Or people interested on the subject of mark pirlgrim's work going 401, or the subject of info suicide. There seems to be some kind of censorship goin on, and whether or not there's a legitimate reason for it, HN readers deserve an explanation.
- thaumaturgy 15y agoNot defending anyone's actions here one way or another, but, being a sort-of-internet-celebrity and suddenly removing everything associated with yourself without a comment or explanation is bound to attract some attention.
- scorpion032 15y agoMark pulled down his twitter account, his blog, diveintopython and diveintopython3. All of these is his own content developed in his own time, and he has every right to pull it down, if he so deems fit, whatever reasons for that. And he has. Yet, diveintohtml5 lives on. The reason for it is that, it was something he wrote in his employers time who are at least part owners of it. I hold high respect for Mark and for his wishes to pull down anything his. I am just recognizing the qualitative difference between diveintohtml5 and other projects that he pulled.
- stephth 15y agoSo ... why exactly were the HN stories buried?
- scorpion032 15y agoAlthough, I didn't do it, I can reason why. If Mark pulled all his content (and even nominated his own Wikipedia article for deletion citing he is not notable) because he wanted some privacy, letting all those articles on the HN frontpage would do the exact opposite to provide him more attention that he is avoiding.
- stephth 15y agoletting all those articles on the HN frontpage would do the exact opposite to provide him more attention that he is avoiding. So you're saying those stories were removed because Mark Pilgrim wished they were? Is that how things actually work in HN?
- scorpion032 15y agobenevolent censorship?
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- benatkin 15y agoThere's this, too: http://diveintohtml5.ep.io/ http://diveintohtml5.ep.io/
- vibragiel 15y agoDid anyone manage to fork Dive Into HTML5's mercurial repository at hg.diveintohtml5.org recently? I had started translating the book to Spanish and now I'm left stranded!
- vibragiel 15y agoAnswering myself: https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintohtml5 https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintohtml5
- etherealG 15y agogoogle maps key error on http://diveintohtml5.info/detect.html http://diveintohtml5.info/detect.html
- jonathantneal 15y agoFixed. Thanks.
- etherealG 15y agono problem :)
- kenneth_reitz 15y agoHis GitHub projects have been mirrored: https://github.com/diveintomark/ https://github.com/diveintomark/ Dive Into Python 3: http://diveintopython3.ep.io/ http://diveintopython3.ep.io/ GitHub: https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintopython3 https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintopython3 Dive Into HTML5: http://diveintohtml5.ep.io/ http://diveintohtml5.ep.io/ GitHub: https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintohtml5 https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintohtml5
- munim 15y agoI am sorry, but I was out of the loop. What exactly happened to the original site?
- masklinn 15y agoThe author did a variant of the _Why: took down his online presence, deleted the online accounts he could and changed the configuration of his sites to return "410 Gone" on requests.
- FlowerPower 15y agoWhy ?
- RexRollman 15y agoThat's a real shame. I enjoyed reading his blog, especially during his transition to Linux.
- jrockway 15y agoSo Mark deletes this from the Internet, and a bunch of other people put it back up? For people that were concerned enough about him to send the police to his house a few hours ago, it seems weird that they are now saying "fuck the author's wishes" and putting it back online. I guess if there isn't enough Internet Drama, we have to make our own? Can we go back to whining about node.js? At least I found that mildly funny...
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- nl 15y agoI have mixed feelings about this. I agree it is good that someone had the good taste to bury the HN stories. But DiveInto* is good content, and the internet needs more content like it.
- Gormo 15y agoBeing concerned about the author's well-being doesn't imply that one ought to 'respect his wishes' with regard to a CC-licensed work that many other people rely upon as a productive resource. Mark has produced some exceptional reference works and released them under an open license. They certainly ought not be removed from existence on anyone's personal whim, original author or not, no matter how much we sympathize with his situation, whatever that might be.
- alanstorm 15y agoPut another way, republishing an otherwise unavailable CC-licensed/open-source-licensed work is explicitly respecting the author's wishes, the author that published it under that license. I doubt (but obviously don't know) Mark wanted to excise his work from human memory, he just didn't want the personal responsibility of maintaining those resources/participating in their development as a leader. That's the wish worth respecting.
- mattdeboard 15y agoNot to be a dick but pretty sure it's well-recognized as an infallible truth that once you put something on the Internet, it's in the world forever. It is never gone, no matter what you want. I'm sure Mr. Pilgrim is well aware of this fact.
- Scorpil 15y agoI'm not very educated in all this legal stuff, so i have few questions regarded license of this book. First: does license CC-BY-3.0 allow me to download this book for free, make any changes to format or content of the book, including downloading to my Kindle? Amazon sells O'reilly version for kindle for 15.49$, and i can't find 'mobi' version at any legal sources, so is it ok if i make one myself? And if i will, is it ok to share it with everyone? Secondly, as i understand, there is no problems with translating the book to any language and then sharing it for free with everyone?
- onli 15y agowhy not? The license permits you to do what you want with it, as long as you attribute the original author.
- Scorpil 15y agoI was expecting that, but wasn't completely sure about it. Thanks.
- onli 15y agowhy not? The license permits you to do what you want with it, as long as you attribute the original author.
- onli 15y agowhy not? The license permits you to do what you want with it, as long as you attribute the original author.
- guzzul 15y agofeedparser.org is also down.
- joeshaw 15y agoThe Google code project is still there: https://code.google.com/p/feedparser/ https://code.google.com/p/feedparser/ And the software is still in PyPi: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/feedparser/ http://pypi.python.org/pypi/feedparser/
- smackfu 15y agoThe moral of all this is that if you want to disappear silently, you should disappear silently. Silently on the internet does not mean deleting your content. It means leaving it there.
- inkel 15y agoAmen to that. Specially if all your content was open source.
- dguaraglia 15y agoIndeed. If anything, I consider his move a little douchey. At least he should have put the tarballs for his open-source content somewhere and said "there guys, figure it out". Looks more like throwing a tantrum.
- centeno 15y agoThis was not unexpected. Several years ago there was an enigmatic post in his blog, a comparison with David Salinger author of The Catcher in the Rye, after publishing that book Salinger disappeared from public presence and hide from any form of popularity. The best friend of Mark died from drug consumption not long ago, and he was really disappointed about that. One time Mark said that all his activity in the web was of no use for getting a good friend. He think that you can have only one friend that survive you, and that friend is not here ... No wonder people imagine strange things happening when someone decide to disappear in the web.
- soapdog 15y agoI just discovered that those resources were down. Is there any mirror of dive into python available? A good friend wants to learn python and that was a terrific resource. I wish Mark all the best. I know what is to loose a good friend. Still what he created was beautiful and those resources are too good to vanish.
- cycojesus 15y agoif you mean the one about python 2 I have it ( diveintopython-html-5.4.zip ), I'll gladly upload it somewhere. The python3 one is @ https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintopython3 https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintopython3