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Eh, what, this is not a kitchen. This is a hobby project, a child-toy-kitchen, some people seem to mistaken a a career. Patch is welcome and if you want softwar

Eh, what, this is not a kitchen. This is a hobby project, a child-toy-kitchen, some people seem to mistaken a a career. Patch is welcome and if you want software work for free, fork it and do your own work on it.

ahartmetz 5y ago
The kitchen is real because it produces real food that real people choose to eat. But it is indeed not much of a career, usually.
- asah 5y ago
  Y, but open source contribution IS a decent addition to one's resume.
FiloSottile 5y ago
Is that really the outcome we want? That large companies fork all the OSS they need and take control away from the maintainers? Because it's what is going to happen if we don't build an alternative where maintainers have a proper career path.
- weego 5y ago
  They're in control of the license from the very start. Anyone who doesn't want that doesn't need to use a license that is so open. I like most others' careers has been deeply enriched by open source, but I find it hard to have sympathy for anyone releasing under a very open license and then pulling a pikachu face when their project is used within the boundaries of how it is offered. This same discussion has previously devolved to 'well projects with non-liberal licenses don't tend to get traction', the answer to which is there's a false assumption here that every oss project should trend towards adoption. That should never be the primary goal and is one of the main pillars of why the entire ecosystem is becoming dysfunctional.
- singpolyma3 5y ago
  Yes. Every company who needs changes in a FOSS project should fork it. Freedom is the freedom to fork, it's the whole point.
- hyperman1 5y ago
  As I understood, this is how apache httpd started. NCSA had publicly released httpd, and people wrote all kinds of patches for it. After a while, someone made the effort to combine and organize all these patches, creating what he called a patchy httpd, hence the name apache httpd.
xwdv 5y ago
If you intend to make things other people will use and come to depend on, you cannot have this attitude toward open source. Stop thinking in terms of hobbys and toys. You are still building serious software for mass market distribution, you just have an alternative funding model.

ahartmetz 5y ago

The kitchen is real because it produces real food that real people choose to eat. But it is indeed not much of a career, usually.

asah 5y ago
Y, but open source contribution IS a decent addition to one's resume.

FiloSottile 5y ago

Is that really the outcome we want? That large companies fork all the OSS they need and take control away from the maintainers? Because it's what is going to happen if we don't build an alternative where maintainers have a proper career path.

weego 5y ago
They're in control of the license from the very start. Anyone who doesn't want that doesn't need to use a license that is so open. I like most others' careers has been deeply enriched by open source, but I find it hard to have sympathy for anyone releasing under a very open license and then pulling a pikachu face when their project is used within the boundaries of how it is offered. This same discussion has previously devolved to 'well projects with non-liberal licenses don't tend to get traction', the answer to which is there's a false assumption here that every oss project should trend towards adoption. That should never be the primary goal and is one of the main pillars of why the entire ecosystem is becoming dysfunctional.
singpolyma3 5y ago
Yes. Every company who needs changes in a FOSS project should fork it. Freedom is the freedom to fork, it's the whole point.
hyperman1 5y ago
As I understood, this is how apache httpd started. NCSA had publicly released httpd, and people wrote all kinds of patches for it. After a while, someone made the effort to combine and organize all these patches, creating what he called a patchy httpd, hence the name apache httpd.

xwdv 5y ago

If you intend to make things other people will use and come to depend on, you cannot have this attitude toward open source. Stop thinking in terms of hobbys and toys. You are still building serious software for mass market distribution, you just have an alternative funding model.