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I feel like this is yet another example of the insane entitlement of New Yorkers. Keep in mind this a city that has a rampant violent crime problem, incredible

I feel like this is yet another example of the insane entitlement of New Yorkers. Keep in mind this a city that has a rampant violent crime problem, incredible garbage, wealth inequality, and theft problems and NYT uses some of the worlds most valuable advertising space to push a story about idling vehicles? This is why there is such a disconnect between people who live in the rest of the USA and those who live in a few select cities on the coasts. For those who live in the bubble and wonder “Why don’t people identify with my political views” this is a great example.

gutitout 5y ago
The people who rule also live in this city. Why is there nothing being done about the crime, garbage and injustice?
presentation 5y ago
It’s not like every article in the New York Times has to be about violent crime, garbage, inequality and theft. They publish very many articles all the time! And society has very many problems, big and small! I guess you and the rest of the upset heartland commoners can subscribe to “New York Crime, Garbage, Inequality, and Theft Weekly” if other content bugs you so badly.
rottencupcakes 5y ago
And Texas uses similar tactics to get people to report on their neighbor's abotions: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/us/abortion-law-regulations-texas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/us/abortion-law-regulatio... Maybe people should realize that everybody spying and reporting their neighbor is a dark road, more in line with the Gestapo and Eastern Bloc countries than the freedom we claim to love in America.
- giantg2 5y ago
  I think the abortion one is a civil law (which has not be seen before). I believe the idling law is criminal (citation). Most states have a process already for submitting a private criminal complaint, just without the fine sharing. We complain about police states and lack of training/oversight, yet we want to turn everyone into this police function and with no training?
giantg2 5y ago
If they really cared they could extend the 25% reward to all crime tips.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Are there fines attached to most crimes? Also, I don't think we want private citizens risking their lives or exaggerating details to get the rewards on a crime.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "Also, I don't think we want private citizens risking their lives or exaggerating details to get the rewards on a crime." That's exactly what they're doing with this fumes law. Many summary offense crimes have fines and/or a few days in jail as the punishment. The courts usually give the fine without jail in most cases. These are things like driving infractions, noise complaints, minor graffiti, leaving your car idle (separate from the commercial law), jaywalking, etc. But if they are making all this money, why not expand the courts and hire more meter maids to do this work? As you bring up, they would likely be better suited to collet the evidence and it sounds like the courts can't handle the citation volume at the current levels.
ladberg 5y ago
As someone who very recently moved to NYC (and therefore isn't an expert), I have had zero issues with crime, garbage, or theft, but have been annoyed by car exhaust and other pollution more so than living in California. Wrt to wealth inequality, yes that's definitely a more important issue but also one that is completely orthogonal to car idling and cities can work on more than one thing at a time.
woodruffw 5y ago
> NYT uses some of the worlds most valuable advertising space to push a story about idling vehicles? It's in the New York section of the paper. That's the part of the paper that New Yorkers read to keep abreast of the city's happenings, including smaller human stories like this one. Thinking about it as "advertising space" is completely flipped: ads are worthless if nobody reads your paper, and stories like this do an excellent job of bringing readers in. Put another way: you wouldn't bat an eye at a home-style cooking story in the Cooking section. Why are you surprised by a similar level of provincial interest in the local section?
IIAOPSW 5y ago
>Keep in mind this a city that has a rampant violent crime problem, No it doesn't. NYC has some of the lowest crime rates in the nation. Here is deaths per capita from interpersonal violence (aka homicide) circa 2014. You can view as far back as 1980. NYC crime rates dipped below the national average in 1995 and have only gotten lower since. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/mortality-rates-united-states/inter-violence/# https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/mortality-rates-united-... Bronx: 9.2 per 100k Queens: 3.5 per 100k Kings county (Brooklyn): 6.5 per 100k New York county (Manhattan): 3.3 per 100k Richmond county (Staten Island): 4.1 per 100k The 7 major felonies have gone done year after year for every year since the mid 90s. https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2021.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Giuliani_crime_rate.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Giuliani... Your right about the disconnect between those on the coast and those outside, because you're obviously disconnected from the real on-the-ground situation in New York. "Why don't people identify with my political views", because some people identify with the version of reality editorialized on TV, and thus smugly berate us over the problems we don't actually have.

gutitout 5y ago

The people who rule also live in this city. Why is there nothing being done about the crime, garbage and injustice?

presentation 5y ago

It’s not like every article in the New York Times has to be about violent crime, garbage, inequality and theft. They publish very many articles all the time! And society has very many problems, big and small! I guess you and the rest of the upset heartland commoners can subscribe to “New York Crime, Garbage, Inequality, and Theft Weekly” if other content bugs you so badly.

rottencupcakes 5y ago

And Texas uses similar tactics to get people to report on their neighbor's abotions: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/us/abortion-law-regulations-texas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/us/abortion-law-regulatio... Maybe people should realize that everybody spying and reporting their neighbor is a dark road, more in line with the Gestapo and Eastern Bloc countries than the freedom we claim to love in America.

giantg2 5y ago
I think the abortion one is a civil law (which has not be seen before). I believe the idling law is criminal (citation). Most states have a process already for submitting a private criminal complaint, just without the fine sharing. We complain about police states and lack of training/oversight, yet we want to turn everyone into this police function and with no training?

giantg2 5y ago

If they really cared they could extend the 25% reward to all crime tips.

wolverine876 5y ago
Are there fines attached to most crimes? Also, I don't think we want private citizens risking their lives or exaggerating details to get the rewards on a crime.
- giantg2 5y ago
  "Also, I don't think we want private citizens risking their lives or exaggerating details to get the rewards on a crime." That's exactly what they're doing with this fumes law. Many summary offense crimes have fines and/or a few days in jail as the punishment. The courts usually give the fine without jail in most cases. These are things like driving infractions, noise complaints, minor graffiti, leaving your car idle (separate from the commercial law), jaywalking, etc. But if they are making all this money, why not expand the courts and hire more meter maids to do this work? As you bring up, they would likely be better suited to collet the evidence and it sounds like the courts can't handle the citation volume at the current levels.

ladberg 5y ago

As someone who very recently moved to NYC (and therefore isn't an expert), I have had zero issues with crime, garbage, or theft, but have been annoyed by car exhaust and other pollution more so than living in California. Wrt to wealth inequality, yes that's definitely a more important issue but also one that is completely orthogonal to car idling and cities can work on more than one thing at a time.

woodruffw 5y ago

> NYT uses some of the worlds most valuable advertising space to push a story about idling vehicles? It's in the New York section of the paper. That's the part of the paper that New Yorkers read to keep abreast of the city's happenings, including smaller human stories like this one. Thinking about it as "advertising space" is completely flipped: ads are worthless if nobody reads your paper, and stories like this do an excellent job of bringing readers in. Put another way: you wouldn't bat an eye at a home-style cooking story in the Cooking section. Why are you surprised by a similar level of provincial interest in the local section?

IIAOPSW 5y ago

>Keep in mind this a city that has a rampant violent crime problem, No it doesn't. NYC has some of the lowest crime rates in the nation. Here is deaths per capita from interpersonal violence (aka homicide) circa 2014. You can view as far back as 1980. NYC crime rates dipped below the national average in 1995 and have only gotten lower since. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/mortality-rates-united-states/inter-violence/# https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/mortality-rates-united-... Bronx: 9.2 per 100k Queens: 3.5 per 100k Kings county (Brooklyn): 6.5 per 100k New York county (Manhattan): 3.3 per 100k Richmond county (Staten Island): 4.1 per 100k The 7 major felonies have gone done year after year for every year since the mid 90s. https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2021.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Giuliani_crime_rate.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Giuliani... Your right about the disconnect between those on the coast and those outside, because you're obviously disconnected from the real on-the-ground situation in New York. "Why don't people identify with my political views", because some people identify with the version of reality editorialized on TV, and thus smugly berate us over the problems we don't actually have.