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I don't like diesel fumes either, but I'm surprised to see so many Americans signing up for an informant society. There are other ways to solve this problem.

frakkingcylons 5y ago
Yeah because the Stasi were real stickers for the environment.
morcheeba 5y ago
What are your other ways?
tcbasche 5y ago
I suppose there's not many other ways to incentivise people in America other than offering them money. Seems like simply informing for the overall benefit of society wouldn't be incentive enough ...
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  The problem is about how it is enforced. Vigilante-type crowd sourcing to enforce laws isn't the right way to go about this.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Vigilante-type crowd sourcing ...is a contradiction in terms. People who report things to the responsible authorities rather than taking violent enforcement action themselves are engaging in exactly the behavior vigilanteism is defined in opposition to.
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      Do you really think citizens policing each other is a good way to enforce laws? This is going to get ugly real fast. It creates division and disharmony in a community. No wonder people are getting angry about this. Read history.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Do you really think citizens policing each other is a good way to enforce laws? Irrelevant, because this isn't citizens policing each other. (Though, I will note in regard to your question that the alternative of having a distinct subculture separate from normal citizens that inevitably views themselves aligned against the citizenry policing the citizenry is far worse than citizens policing each other, but yet that's what we mostly do.) > This is going to get ugly real fast. It creates division and disharmony in a community Lawbreaking creates division and disharmony in a community. > Read history. I’ve read quite a bit of it; but I disagree with your implicit analysis, which attributes to a method of enforcement that most modern societies have chosen for some laws problems that stem not from that source but from the particular laws which certain repressive societies enforced using that and other methods.
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- lowwave 5y ago
  >I suppose there's not many other ways to incentivise people in America other than offering them money that about sums up the problem for Americans and the world have in general.
systemvoltage 5y ago
It is kind of scary to see majority of HN diaspora wanting this kind of future. Sad and sort of terrifying.
- hotz 5y ago
  - jen20 5y ago
    Ah yes, well known liberals like Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick promote these laws. /s
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      Interesting. Why do so many people here bring up Texas? It has nothing to do with this law in NY. Seems like a way to distract. We can condemn both, no?

frakkingcylons 5y ago

Yeah because the Stasi were real stickers for the environment.

morcheeba 5y ago

What are your other ways?

tcbasche 5y ago

I suppose there's not many other ways to incentivise people in America other than offering them money. Seems like simply informing for the overall benefit of society wouldn't be incentive enough ...

systemvoltage 5y ago
The problem is about how it is enforced. Vigilante-type crowd sourcing to enforce laws isn't the right way to go about this.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Vigilante-type crowd sourcing ...is a contradiction in terms. People who report things to the responsible authorities rather than taking violent enforcement action themselves are engaging in exactly the behavior vigilanteism is defined in opposition to.
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Do you really think citizens policing each other is a good way to enforce laws? This is going to get ugly real fast. It creates division and disharmony in a community. No wonder people are getting angry about this. Read history.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Do you really think citizens policing each other is a good way to enforce laws? Irrelevant, because this isn't citizens policing each other. (Though, I will note in regard to your question that the alternative of having a distinct subculture separate from normal citizens that inevitably views themselves aligned against the citizenry policing the citizenry is far worse than citizens policing each other, but yet that's what we mostly do.) > This is going to get ugly real fast. It creates division and disharmony in a community Lawbreaking creates division and disharmony in a community. > Read history. I’ve read quite a bit of it; but I disagree with your implicit analysis, which attributes to a method of enforcement that most modern societies have chosen for some laws problems that stem not from that source but from the particular laws which certain repressive societies enforced using that and other methods.
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lowwave 5y ago
>I suppose there's not many other ways to incentivise people in America other than offering them money that about sums up the problem for Americans and the world have in general.

systemvoltage 5y ago

It is kind of scary to see majority of HN diaspora wanting this kind of future. Sad and sort of terrifying.

hotz 5y ago
- jen20 5y ago
  Ah yes, well known liberals like Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick promote these laws. /s
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Interesting. Why do so many people here bring up Texas? It has nothing to do with this law in NY. Seems like a way to distract. We can condemn both, no?