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> Yet another form of misinformation is political lies of the sort that we’ve been seeing most notoriously from Russian propaganda lately. Are you referring to

> Yet another form of misinformation is political lies of the sort that we’ve been seeing most notoriously from Russian propaganda lately. Are you referring to propaganda that Russia is spreading or the labeling of anyone who disagrees with the common narrative as Russian propaganda? It would seem to be there's a lot more of the second going on. Likewise, as much misinformation as there is going around, there's just as much labeling things as disinformation in order wield political muscle, which was rampant for the last two years during covid.

estaseuropano 5y ago
This appears to be a strange self-conversation. You take words and twist them until they fit a point you wanted to make. Apparently you believe in things that most don't believe and that have been labeled (by whom?) as Russian propaganda. What does this add or subtract to the article? And if I dare say so: if others get the impression that ideas you share are propaganda it is worth reflecting how you formed these opinions/beliefs. We are all victims of one form of propaganda or anotherz so it is generally a good idea to sometimes question whether important beliefs are indeed true, and especially what it would take to falsify them. What could someone show to you to prove that your views are false?
- insickness 5y ago
  My point is that the "misinformation" label has constantly been used as a cover to censor. Two cases in point: 1. To say that Covid may have originated in a lab would get you censored on youtube, facebook and most other social media. It was misinformation until it wasn't. Now the lab leak theory is just as viable. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-... 2. When the story of Hunter Biden's laptop first broke, it was labeled by most mainstream media, along with 50 intelligence experts, as Russian propaganda. Now even the New York Times admits that it was authentic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-the-news-thats-finally-fit-to-print-hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-new-york-times-joe-biden-11647637814 https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-the-news-thats-finally-fit-...
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    Propaganda can be authentic. For example, during the 2016 election the Russians hacked the DNC and leaked the retrieved e-mails. They were authentic but they were also part of a propaganda campaign. Hunter Biden’s laptop appears be authentic but it’s hard to tell what data and how much given the unknown provenance of the device. It was also clearly part of a smear campaign involving Rudy Giuliani, who himself has been caught literally spreading Russian propaganda. The heart of the whole Hunter Biden laptop issue was that it was being used to suggest that Pres. Biden was engaged in nefarious business deals with his son and China, which so far has not been proven, the laptop notwithstanding. On measure given what Russia did in 2016, how the Republican Senate Intel Committee found that Trump and his associates willfully engaged with Russians to aid his campaign, and Trump’s clear assertion that he would engage in the same conduct in the future, the actions taken during 2020 seem prudent to me.
  - alphabettsy 5y ago
    > When the story of Hunter Biden's laptop first broke, it was labeled by most mainstream media, along with 50 intelligence experts, as Russian propaganda. Now even the New York Times admits that it was authentic. It’s seems impossible to have a nuanced discussion anything political. Many parts of the story about Hunter Biden’s laptop were true, that doesn’t mean that the story was not propaganda. The original NYPost story used the Trump team as sources, the story specifically cites Giuliani as the source of the emails seems like reason enough to doubt the veracity. That said, censorship is not the right approach.
  - rsfern 5y ago
    Why not link to the Times article on your second point? It’s more nuanced than you are making it seem. They’re just reporting that some of the emails in the email dump are authentic, not confirming the entire affair https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-... This is what the Times reported in 2020: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
  - kingcharles 5y ago

estaseuropano 5y ago

This appears to be a strange self-conversation. You take words and twist them until they fit a point you wanted to make. Apparently you believe in things that most don't believe and that have been labeled (by whom?) as Russian propaganda. What does this add or subtract to the article? And if I dare say so: if others get the impression that ideas you share are propaganda it is worth reflecting how you formed these opinions/beliefs. We are all victims of one form of propaganda or anotherz so it is generally a good idea to sometimes question whether important beliefs are indeed true, and especially what it would take to falsify them. What could someone show to you to prove that your views are false?

insickness 5y ago
My point is that the "misinformation" label has constantly been used as a cover to censor. Two cases in point: 1. To say that Covid may have originated in a lab would get you censored on youtube, facebook and most other social media. It was misinformation until it wasn't. Now the lab leak theory is just as viable. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-... 2. When the story of Hunter Biden's laptop first broke, it was labeled by most mainstream media, along with 50 intelligence experts, as Russian propaganda. Now even the New York Times admits that it was authentic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-the-news-thats-finally-fit-to-print-hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-new-york-times-joe-biden-11647637814 https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-the-news-thats-finally-fit-...
- ModernMech 5y ago
  Propaganda can be authentic. For example, during the 2016 election the Russians hacked the DNC and leaked the retrieved e-mails. They were authentic but they were also part of a propaganda campaign. Hunter Biden’s laptop appears be authentic but it’s hard to tell what data and how much given the unknown provenance of the device. It was also clearly part of a smear campaign involving Rudy Giuliani, who himself has been caught literally spreading Russian propaganda. The heart of the whole Hunter Biden laptop issue was that it was being used to suggest that Pres. Biden was engaged in nefarious business deals with his son and China, which so far has not been proven, the laptop notwithstanding. On measure given what Russia did in 2016, how the Republican Senate Intel Committee found that Trump and his associates willfully engaged with Russians to aid his campaign, and Trump’s clear assertion that he would engage in the same conduct in the future, the actions taken during 2020 seem prudent to me.
- alphabettsy 5y ago
  > When the story of Hunter Biden's laptop first broke, it was labeled by most mainstream media, along with 50 intelligence experts, as Russian propaganda. Now even the New York Times admits that it was authentic. It’s seems impossible to have a nuanced discussion anything political. Many parts of the story about Hunter Biden’s laptop were true, that doesn’t mean that the story was not propaganda. The original NYPost story used the Trump team as sources, the story specifically cites Giuliani as the source of the emails seems like reason enough to doubt the veracity. That said, censorship is not the right approach.
- rsfern 5y ago
  Why not link to the Times article on your second point? It’s more nuanced than you are making it seem. They’re just reporting that some of the emails in the email dump are authentic, not confirming the entire affair https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-... This is what the Times reported in 2020: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
- kingcharles 5y ago