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If a policeman gives you an order, that sounds like an interaction to me. If I am being forced to do something by the police at threat of arrest, I certainly ha

If a policeman gives you an order, that sounds like an interaction to me. If I am being forced to do something by the police at threat of arrest, I certainly have a right to record it. But I am guessing republicans will find a way to warp logic around this.

DubiousPusher 5y ago
Were this to be enacted, it will come down to the Supreme Court. The court will have to invet a new doctrine as they did with "Reasonable Suspicion" in Terry v. Ohio. Given the court's 50 year track record I would expect they will find a way to carve out this new right for police at the expense of our 4th, 9th and 14th amendment rights.
Brian_K_White 5y ago
I'm sure in the end the way it works is you get the fine because the cop was not originally seeking you out, you sought them out. IE, you have a right to film your interaction about violating the 8ft rule just like you are allowed to film your interaction about breaking a speed limit. And just like you might actually be guilty of beeaking the speed limit, you might actually be guilty of breaking the 8ft rule, of someone else's interaction. It's not even really invalid, just somehow still pretty convenient for one party, and it's the party that already wields the power of the state.
giraffe_lady 5y ago
It's so jarring to read comments like this because shows me how wide the range of interactions with police really is. Do you think the police care about your rights? They've certainly never given a shit about mine.
- djbusby 5y ago
  I'm 40 something. Never had a good interaction with police (Oakland, Berkeley, SF, Seattle, Portland). I'm sure they don't care about our rights.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    I've had a number of positive interactions with the police. Many, many times I've been let off, warned, been given advice, etc. I bet I could film the police and it'd be fine. I am, of course, a straight, white, wealthy male. So sad that's how it goes.
    - kolanos 5y ago
      > I bet I could film the police and it'd be fine. Here's a YouTube channel chock full of videos of straight white males (and others) getting arrested (or threatened with arrest) for video recording police (and other constitutionally-protected activities). [0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbEPXqDvej-3mciZxwYmdew https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbEPXqDvej-3mciZxwYmdew
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        ...those people are doing a lot more than, "just video recording police."
        kolanos 5y ago
        I didn't say "just video recording". I said "video recording", which is where most of those videos come from: the public video recording police. There is some body cam footage (which are public records) on that channel, too. And the "a lot more" they're doing is all constitutionally-protected activity. For example, here's a recent video of a straight white male who is holding a protest sign on a public sidewalk getting arrested. [0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87opWHYxwh0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87opWHYxwh0
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        Okay? I did say "just video recording" (or at least nothing more than "video recording"). I was the one you replied to, I was the one saying what I think I could do. This link isn't really relevant to what I said. Honestly, this feels like a bout of violent agreement.

DubiousPusher 5y ago

Were this to be enacted, it will come down to the Supreme Court. The court will have to invet a new doctrine as they did with "Reasonable Suspicion" in Terry v. Ohio. Given the court's 50 year track record I would expect they will find a way to carve out this new right for police at the expense of our 4th, 9th and 14th amendment rights.

Brian_K_White 5y ago

I'm sure in the end the way it works is you get the fine because the cop was not originally seeking you out, you sought them out. IE, you have a right to film your interaction about violating the 8ft rule just like you are allowed to film your interaction about breaking a speed limit. And just like you might actually be guilty of beeaking the speed limit, you might actually be guilty of breaking the 8ft rule, of someone else's interaction. It's not even really invalid, just somehow still pretty convenient for one party, and it's the party that already wields the power of the state.

giraffe_lady 5y ago

It's so jarring to read comments like this because shows me how wide the range of interactions with police really is. Do you think the police care about your rights? They've certainly never given a shit about mine.

djbusby 5y ago
I'm 40 something. Never had a good interaction with police (Oakland, Berkeley, SF, Seattle, Portland). I'm sure they don't care about our rights.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  I've had a number of positive interactions with the police. Many, many times I've been let off, warned, been given advice, etc. I bet I could film the police and it'd be fine. I am, of course, a straight, white, wealthy male. So sad that's how it goes.
  - kolanos 5y ago
    > I bet I could film the police and it'd be fine. Here's a YouTube channel chock full of videos of straight white males (and others) getting arrested (or threatened with arrest) for video recording police (and other constitutionally-protected activities). [0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbEPXqDvej-3mciZxwYmdew https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbEPXqDvej-3mciZxwYmdew
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      ...those people are doing a lot more than, "just video recording police."
      - kolanos 5y ago
        I didn't say "just video recording". I said "video recording", which is where most of those videos come from: the public video recording police. There is some body cam footage (which are public records) on that channel, too. And the "a lot more" they're doing is all constitutionally-protected activity. For example, here's a recent video of a straight white male who is holding a protest sign on a public sidewalk getting arrested. [0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87opWHYxwh0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87opWHYxwh0
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        Okay? I did say "just video recording" (or at least nothing more than "video recording"). I was the one you replied to, I was the one saying what I think I could do. This link isn't really relevant to what I said. Honestly, this feels like a bout of violent agreement.