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They've had these same uniforms since 2015 [1]. I know that despite this obviously true, verifiable statement, it will not matter to a certain cohort of the pr

They've had these same uniforms since 2015 [1]. I know that despite this obviously true, verifiable statement, it will not matter to a certain cohort of the professional managerial class. Any criticism of lies will be met with emotes of insincere feeling and being on the "wrong side," irrespective if the lies have actually helped Ukraine. [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505236642088558594 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505236642088558594

carlosdp 5y ago
This seems like the most likely explanation here, after looking through all the related threads. There's clear evidence these exact uniforms have been used plenty of times by cosmonauts, as recently as last year.
SubiculumCode 5y ago
Glenn Greenwald? He's a hack.
- netsharc 5y ago
  Sigh, he used to be a must-read for me, but his series of tweets linked in grandparent post seem to be just on-brand for his last few years: so bitter and angry. If he compared the pictures he posted, it seems the suits from the current mission has patches of blue whereas the suits from 2015 are just plain yellow with the giant Russian flag across the chest. Sure the question can be asked whether the blue patches came just recently as a protest move, but like many other people, his anger makes him blind.
  - sidibe 5y ago
    He's always just pushed the West is bad narrative. Maybe you agreed with him on a few issues. But he's like that on every issue: liberal democracies are the reason anything is bad in this world. Really obvious to me when he took the side of the pre-ISIS jihadists that took over northern Mali as soon as France finally intervened, he wrote an article where it didn't seem he understood anything about the conflict but just picked the anti-West team as always.
    - netsharc 5y ago
      "always"? Were you reading him during his salon.com times?
OJFord 5y ago
Not going to engage in something like that on Twitter, but have they worn them to the ISS before? My impression from the article was not that they got them custom-made, but that they did something non-standard for this particular assignment. As in, instead of 'the standard-issue [for all ISS crew, regardless of nationality] blue uniform' (this? https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/25/14383852/boeing-blue-spacesuits-design-starliner-iss-astronauts https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/25/14383852/boeing-blue-spac...) they chose their Russian 'Ukrainian colours' uniform that, yes, has been around years. I don't have any prior knowledge of any of this though, just playing devil's advocate.
- abernard1 5y ago
  From one of the astronauts [1] "We personally choose our flightsuit colours months in advance, so they can be made and packed in time for launch. Thus I suspect the blue and yellow wasn’t intended as a political statement, but I like that it is." Which confirms that two major newspapers did not do basic journalistic practice of talking to any source. This is propaganda. People should ask if their deontological justification of propagandistic falsehoods if doing any good, or whether it's embroiling the Ukrainian people in a NATO proxy war. [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505253430331387915 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505253430331387915
  - t0bia_s 5y ago
    In our streets bins for trash go out and support Ukraine every Thursday. Yellow for plastic and blue for paper. I absolutely agree that propaganda in news is so strong nowdays. Basically everything flows on emotions. It must be great time for news agencies.
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simion314 5y ago
But they asked them and from what I read the response was "we had a lot of yellow material around" and later some officials had various explanations like "is an university color" (why did not the cosmonauts say that is their university color and tell everyone how proved they are of the university or "it is just a color". I asked for videos/images of yellow being used in the past on ISS and still no one was shared. If the cosmonauts would have responded with the "university colors" explanation I would have believed it so not sure how can I explain their joke,
- netsharc 5y ago
  YouTube has videos of the last few (maybe all of them, but I only checked for some) hatch openings and welcomings of Soyuz missions, and the astronauts mostly wear light blue, or dark blue... https://youtu.be/uF4_QagEoWE?t=5487 https://youtu.be/uF4_QagEoWE?t=5487 MS-19 - Light blue, and red for an actress https://youtu.be/ynNuF6_pj3k?t=124 https://youtu.be/ynNuF6_pj3k?t=124 MS-18 they're wearing white here. https://youtu.be/3bXh6u_YCzE?t=104 https://youtu.be/3bXh6u_YCzE?t=104 MS-17 - Dark blue https://youtu.be/KrPg4q1OUSQ?t=402 https://youtu.be/KrPg4q1OUSQ?t=402 MS-16 - Light blue https://youtu.be/DoLhVmA31Vs?t=140 https://youtu.be/DoLhVmA31Vs?t=140 MS-15 - Dark blue Geez, somehow we got this version of the future right, where trips to space are so common that we don't even notice them. The rest of the future though...
  - simion314 5y ago
    I am confused, I was asking the people that said that this yellow is a standard uniform to share with us a photo or video where it was used because this would be an instant way to shut up the "pro Ukraine" messaging. If you want to add evidence that only blue was used probably you should reply to the comment above that said yellow is a an old uniform used for years, the person I asked if he or people with same believes can share a image/video with yellow.
    - netsharc 5y ago
      I'm sorry, were you expecting a confrontation, since that's the norm in Internet conversations nowadays? I'm agreeing with you that yellow doesn't seem to be that common.

carlosdp 5y ago

This seems like the most likely explanation here, after looking through all the related threads. There's clear evidence these exact uniforms have been used plenty of times by cosmonauts, as recently as last year.

SubiculumCode 5y ago

Glenn Greenwald? He's a hack.

netsharc 5y ago
Sigh, he used to be a must-read for me, but his series of tweets linked in grandparent post seem to be just on-brand for his last few years: so bitter and angry. If he compared the pictures he posted, it seems the suits from the current mission has patches of blue whereas the suits from 2015 are just plain yellow with the giant Russian flag across the chest. Sure the question can be asked whether the blue patches came just recently as a protest move, but like many other people, his anger makes him blind.
- sidibe 5y ago
  He's always just pushed the West is bad narrative. Maybe you agreed with him on a few issues. But he's like that on every issue: liberal democracies are the reason anything is bad in this world. Really obvious to me when he took the side of the pre-ISIS jihadists that took over northern Mali as soon as France finally intervened, he wrote an article where it didn't seem he understood anything about the conflict but just picked the anti-West team as always.
  - netsharc 5y ago
    "always"? Were you reading him during his salon.com times?

OJFord 5y ago

Not going to engage in something like that on Twitter, but have they worn them to the ISS before? My impression from the article was not that they got them custom-made, but that they did something non-standard for this particular assignment. As in, instead of 'the standard-issue [for all ISS crew, regardless of nationality] blue uniform' (this? https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/25/14383852/boeing-blue-spacesuits-design-starliner-iss-astronauts https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/25/14383852/boeing-blue-spac...) they chose their Russian 'Ukrainian colours' uniform that, yes, has been around years. I don't have any prior knowledge of any of this though, just playing devil's advocate.

abernard1 5y ago
From one of the astronauts [1] "We personally choose our flightsuit colours months in advance, so they can be made and packed in time for launch. Thus I suspect the blue and yellow wasn’t intended as a political statement, but I like that it is." Which confirms that two major newspapers did not do basic journalistic practice of talking to any source. This is propaganda. People should ask if their deontological justification of propagandistic falsehoods if doing any good, or whether it's embroiling the Ukrainian people in a NATO proxy war. [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505253430331387915 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505253430331387915
- t0bia_s 5y ago
  In our streets bins for trash go out and support Ukraine every Thursday. Yellow for plastic and blue for paper. I absolutely agree that propaganda in news is so strong nowdays. Basically everything flows on emotions. It must be great time for news agencies.
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simion314 5y ago

But they asked them and from what I read the response was "we had a lot of yellow material around" and later some officials had various explanations like "is an university color" (why did not the cosmonauts say that is their university color and tell everyone how proved they are of the university or "it is just a color". I asked for videos/images of yellow being used in the past on ISS and still no one was shared. If the cosmonauts would have responded with the "university colors" explanation I would have believed it so not sure how can I explain their joke,

netsharc 5y ago
YouTube has videos of the last few (maybe all of them, but I only checked for some) hatch openings and welcomings of Soyuz missions, and the astronauts mostly wear light blue, or dark blue... https://youtu.be/uF4_QagEoWE?t=5487 https://youtu.be/uF4_QagEoWE?t=5487 MS-19 - Light blue, and red for an actress https://youtu.be/ynNuF6_pj3k?t=124 https://youtu.be/ynNuF6_pj3k?t=124 MS-18 they're wearing white here. https://youtu.be/3bXh6u_YCzE?t=104 https://youtu.be/3bXh6u_YCzE?t=104 MS-17 - Dark blue https://youtu.be/KrPg4q1OUSQ?t=402 https://youtu.be/KrPg4q1OUSQ?t=402 MS-16 - Light blue https://youtu.be/DoLhVmA31Vs?t=140 https://youtu.be/DoLhVmA31Vs?t=140 MS-15 - Dark blue Geez, somehow we got this version of the future right, where trips to space are so common that we don't even notice them. The rest of the future though...
- simion314 5y ago
  I am confused, I was asking the people that said that this yellow is a standard uniform to share with us a photo or video where it was used because this would be an instant way to shut up the "pro Ukraine" messaging. If you want to add evidence that only blue was used probably you should reply to the comment above that said yellow is a an old uniform used for years, the person I asked if he or people with same believes can share a image/video with yellow.
  - netsharc 5y ago
    I'm sorry, were you expecting a confrontation, since that's the norm in Internet conversations nowadays? I'm agreeing with you that yellow doesn't seem to be that common.