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I think leaving the law at "don't interfere with the police during their job" is good enough. Making static rules like this is normally a bad idea. And we won't

I think leaving the law at "don't interfere with the police during their job" is good enough. Making static rules like this is normally a bad idea. And we won't know why until there's a scenario where we regret passing it.

AlwaysRock 5y ago
Right. Something that comes to mind is is multiple cops arrive and make a perimeter they can continue to move people back and say they have to be 8 feet away from THEM which could make the cop in question many many more feet away. It's easy to see how this will be abused. The existing law seems to be working well.
avs733 5y ago
>I think leaving the law at "don't interfere with the police during their job" is good enough. Those already exist, of course, including[0]: * Failure to comply with police officer; classification * Refusing to Aid a Peace Officer * Obstructing Criminal Investigations of Prosecutions * Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained * Impersonating a public servant * Obstructing a highway or other public thoroughfare No matter how reasonable the law may read on its face, the clear goal is empowering more police abuse and less oversight. The history of police conduct in arizona makes this readily apparent.[e.g., 1] [0] https://www.jacksonwhitelaw.com/criminal-defense-law/obstructing-governmental-operations-arizona-ars-13-2402/ https://www.jacksonwhitelaw.com/criminal-defense-law/obstruc... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steven-seagal-sued-for-driving-tank-into-arizona-home-killing-puppy/?sh=33ad53077489 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steve...
- insickness 5y ago
  The problem is when officers construe filming video as interfering with their job. I wonder if this law would paradoxically enshrine the right to film officers anywhere outside of 8 feet.
  - avs733 5y ago
    This law is just another attempt to empower police to harass individuals and avoid accountability.
    - seanp2k2 5y ago
      It’s also virtue signaling for red team for the upcoming election https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_elections,_2022 https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_elections,_2022 It’s something for them to point to and imply “I did that because I know how much you dislike people trying to get cops in trouble for /serving and protecting/“

AlwaysRock 5y ago

Right. Something that comes to mind is is multiple cops arrive and make a perimeter they can continue to move people back and say they have to be 8 feet away from THEM which could make the cop in question many many more feet away. It's easy to see how this will be abused. The existing law seems to be working well.

avs733 5y ago

>I think leaving the law at "don't interfere with the police during their job" is good enough. Those already exist, of course, including[0]: * Failure to comply with police officer; classification * Refusing to Aid a Peace Officer * Obstructing Criminal Investigations of Prosecutions * Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained * Impersonating a public servant * Obstructing a highway or other public thoroughfare No matter how reasonable the law may read on its face, the clear goal is empowering more police abuse and less oversight. The history of police conduct in arizona makes this readily apparent.[e.g., 1] [0] https://www.jacksonwhitelaw.com/criminal-defense-law/obstructing-governmental-operations-arizona-ars-13-2402/ https://www.jacksonwhitelaw.com/criminal-defense-law/obstruc... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steven-seagal-sued-for-driving-tank-into-arizona-home-killing-puppy/?sh=33ad53077489 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steve...

insickness 5y ago
The problem is when officers construe filming video as interfering with their job. I wonder if this law would paradoxically enshrine the right to film officers anywhere outside of 8 feet.
- avs733 5y ago
  This law is just another attempt to empower police to harass individuals and avoid accountability.
  - seanp2k2 5y ago
    It’s also virtue signaling for red team for the upcoming election https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_elections,_2022 https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_elections,_2022 It’s something for them to point to and imply “I did that because I know how much you dislike people trying to get cops in trouble for /serving and protecting/“