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Negative externalities between neighbors is a thing. See noise pollution.

by csee 5y ago

mindslight 5y ago
Yes, but by the time someone is trying to stop their neighbors from working on their own homes using the same mitigation techniques a licensed/insured contractor would, we're well past the point of discussing externalities and solidly into HOA-hellhole territory.
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- jljljl 5y ago
  I think the point is that if they are _not_ using the same mitigation techniques, you have a right to prevent their DIY actions from poisoning you and your family. And if they don’t have a license or permit, how can you verify they are following best practice? Led contamination risk is definitely more serious than HOA-hellhole
  - mindslight 5y ago
    OP said nothing about evaluating their techniques, but rather a blanket "Don’t let your neighbors DIY exterior painting, scraping, or demolition". > if they don’t have a license or permit, how can you verify they are following best practice? What exactly do you think licenses/permits guarantee? At best, an inspector knows the least responsible crews and checks in on them more often. That's about it. The only way you can actually verify someone is following best practices is to know what those practices are and observe their behavior. By expressing a belief that permitted professionals somehow automatically conform and DIYers automatically do not, one indicates that one has no idea what best practices actually are but yet feels qualified to judge anyway.
    - jljljl 5y ago
      > What exactly do you think licenses/permits guarantee? Licenses confirm that the person doing the work is trained in the best practices + safety for the work that they are doing. Permits ensure that they have filed a plan with the city/state that matches safety regulations, and that this plan is available for the public to review and comment on. It doesn't guarantee automatic conformity, but it shows that their plans have been confirmed _and_ provides an avenue to verify that they are conforming to those plans. I can't confirm everything that a doctor does either, but I'd still much rather see a licensed one than an unlicensed one.

Negative externalities between neighbors is a thing. See noise pollution.

by csee 5y ago

Negative externalities between neighbors is a thing. See noise pollution.

Yes, but by the time someone is trying to stop their neighbors from working on their own homes using the same mitigation techniques a licensed/insured contractor would, we're well past the point of discussing externalities and solidly into HOA-hellhole territory.

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jljljl 5y ago
I think the point is that if they are _not_ using the same mitigation techniques, you have a right to prevent their DIY actions from poisoning you and your family. And if they don’t have a license or permit, how can you verify they are following best practice? Led contamination risk is definitely more serious than HOA-hellhole
- mindslight 5y ago
  OP said nothing about evaluating their techniques, but rather a blanket "Don’t let your neighbors DIY exterior painting, scraping, or demolition". > if they don’t have a license or permit, how can you verify they are following best practice? What exactly do you think licenses/permits guarantee? At best, an inspector knows the least responsible crews and checks in on them more often. That's about it. The only way you can actually verify someone is following best practices is to know what those practices are and observe their behavior. By expressing a belief that permitted professionals somehow automatically conform and DIYers automatically do not, one indicates that one has no idea what best practices actually are but yet feels qualified to judge anyway.
  - jljljl 5y ago
    > What exactly do you think licenses/permits guarantee? Licenses confirm that the person doing the work is trained in the best practices + safety for the work that they are doing. Permits ensure that they have filed a plan with the city/state that matches safety regulations, and that this plan is available for the public to review and comment on. It doesn't guarantee automatic conformity, but it shows that their plans have been confirmed _and_ provides an avenue to verify that they are conforming to those plans. I can't confirm everything that a doctor does either, but I'd still much rather see a licensed one than an unlicensed one.