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Russian cosmonauts arrive at ISS in colours of Ukraine flag

76 points by leephillips 5y ago

daniel-thompson 5y ago
The three Russian astronauts in question are all graduates of Bauman Moscow State Technical University, and its colors are yellow and blue. According to the Denver Post (https://www.denverpost.com/2022/03/19/live-updates-thousands-flee-mariupol-as-russians-advance/ https://www.denverpost.com/2022/03/19/live-updates-thousands...), the astronauts claimed today that that's why they chose those colors. Who knows if that's the real reason, but one could certainly imagine that that explanation would be a convenient way to avoid getting themselves in trouble with the Russian authorities.
- godDLL 5y ago
  Plausible deniability does not work in Russia. If you dry your clothes on the balcony and happen to put a blue towel next to a yellow teeshirt expect a knocking down of your door and family inside. Rounding up of neighbours too.
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app4soft 5y ago
> Russian cosmonauts arrive at ISS in colours of Ukraine flag TL;DR: This is sorta of Russia's kidding like “Russian inside «Ukraine» suit with a Russian Federation flag on top of it” — deep meaning: “Russia want to occupy Ukraine in whole.” JFTR, I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine. Here is my statement for HN:[0] + Verified Ways to Help Ukraine - https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help-the-ukrainian-army/ https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help... + My Patreon - https://patreon.com/app4soft https://patreon.com/app4soft [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897
- OJFord 5y ago
  What leads you to that interpretation? I don't know if you hit the paywall perhaps, but the article says: > [...] in what appeared to be a daring statement against the war. [my emphasis] > The colour scheme and its dramatic divergence from usual dress codes drew gasps from Nasa officials and members of Nasa’s astronaut corps. “Wow. Just wow,” said Terry Virts, a former US commander of the ISS. > Artemyev, the commander, joked in Russian that there was “a lot of yellow material accumulated at the warehouse” when the flight suits were made.
  - app4soft 5y ago
    > What leads you to that interpretation? Man, huh, I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine & I know how Russian propaganda works. N.B. Just now is a morning of Day25[0] of full scale Russo-Ukrainian war.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrai... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
    - OJFord 5y ago
      I can hardly imagine what you and your countrymen are going through, I'm certainly not making light of it. I just don't understand why Russia would put out anti-war propaganda that yes makes a few Russians look good, but ones that are (ostensibly) speaking out against their government, against their country's invasion of yours.
      - app4soft 5y ago
        > I just don't understand why Russia would put out anti-war propaganda that yes makes a few Russians look good You just would not be able to fully understand Russians & how Russian propaganda works if you are not Ukrainian living in Ukraine.[0] I already highlighted "few Russians" which are trying to "look good":[1,2,3,4,5,6] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine-Russia_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine-Russia_relations [1] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1504424886126755840 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1504424886126755840 [2] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1505481614624702467 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1505481614624702467 [3] https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502321643229794310 https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502321643229794310 [4] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502360879697956867 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502360879697956867 [5] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502340942682066946 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502340942682066946 [6] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502353051868401665 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502353051868401665
earleybird 5y ago
Something seems odd with this. You don't just walk into TSUM a week or two before launch and pick up a new jump suit.
- debrice 5y ago
  Interesting perspective, could you elaborate?
  - iancmceachern 5y ago
    It's taken decades for NASA to refine and release their new space suit. This is a flight suit, so it may be a bit different, but it's not as if one walks into any old tailor and asks for a new flight suit. There has to be lead time, approvals, etc. involved
    - neurotech1 5y ago
      Actually, they pretty much can do that. Flightsuits are not complicated and the NASA ones, almost the same as the ones used in orbit, have been sold at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Center in adult sizes, or at Space Camp. As I recall, the actual astronauts receive standard sized flightsuits which are adjusted by a tailor. Astronauts are almost required to look sharp in public. US military pilots sometimes order squadron flightsuits, with minimal approvals and lead time. If the pilots really wanted to, they are actually measured and tailor made for the pilots, instead of custom ordered from standard sizes. More notably,the US Navy Blue Angles actually walk into a tailor in Pensacola, Florida and get measured for a flightsuit. A few days later they walk out in the first blue and yellow flightsuits we all at airshows, they test fit that suit, fly with it, make any adjustments, before several additional flightsuits are made. For the 75th Anneversary of the Blue Angels[1], they had yellow suits made, presumably with command approval, and it couldn't have been difficult or expensive to have them tailor made for limited use. The Russian cosmonauts and their tailors would have a pretty good idea of what material is approved for space use, and what they have in stock, so tailor made flightsuits would not be a huge undertaking. I'd assume they actually do have a tailor make or adjust the flight suits for the cosmonauts, to minimize the chance of snagging something in space. [0] https://www.pnj.com/videos/news/military/2019/07/26/longtime-pensacola-tailors-make-flights-suits-u-s-navy-blue-angels/1842059001/ https://www.pnj.com/videos/news/military/2019/07/26/longtime... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ndBAx5GHhE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ndBAx5GHhE
abernard1 5y ago
They've had these same uniforms since 2015 [1]. I know that despite this obviously true, verifiable statement, it will not matter to a certain cohort of the professional managerial class. Any criticism of lies will be met with emotes of insincere feeling and being on the "wrong side," irrespective if the lies have actually helped Ukraine. [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505236642088558594 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505236642088558594
- carlosdp 5y ago
  This seems like the most likely explanation here, after looking through all the related threads. There's clear evidence these exact uniforms have been used plenty of times by cosmonauts, as recently as last year.
- SubiculumCode 5y ago
  Glenn Greenwald? He's a hack.
  - netsharc 5y ago
    Sigh, he used to be a must-read for me, but his series of tweets linked in grandparent post seem to be just on-brand for his last few years: so bitter and angry. If he compared the pictures he posted, it seems the suits from the current mission has patches of blue whereas the suits from 2015 are just plain yellow with the giant Russian flag across the chest. Sure the question can be asked whether the blue patches came just recently as a protest move, but like many other people, his anger makes him blind.
    - sidibe 5y ago
      He's always just pushed the West is bad narrative. Maybe you agreed with him on a few issues. But he's like that on every issue: liberal democracies are the reason anything is bad in this world. Really obvious to me when he took the side of the pre-ISIS jihadists that took over northern Mali as soon as France finally intervened, he wrote an article where it didn't seem he understood anything about the conflict but just picked the anti-West team as always.
MomoXenosaga 5y ago
Russian cosmonauts will be wearing the Chinese flag soon.
Theodores 5y ago
This is interesting human psychology. You can jump to conclusions based on the colour of the tie that a news anchor is reading. If the news anchor on the other channel also has the same colour tie then you could conclude your assumptions to maybe think that the people in the media support a particular cause but they have to be professional and unbiased. There are a finite amount of colours as well as an infinite amount of colours. For this reason assumptions can be made and conclusions jumped to.
- dopa42365 5y ago
  Heh, and every color can be interpreted in so many ways that fit so many narratives. Like: White? Statement for piece, definitely. No way it's just default plain white.
  - t0bia_s 5y ago
    In some cultures, white cloth is for funerals.
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      And surrender.
throwawayfuture 5y ago
The conspiracy theorist in me would think that this effectively non-news is being planted / spread simply to piss Putin off and see how he reacts to it. If anything 'weird' happens to these astronauts after this mission, that's his reaction.
- amriksohata 5y ago
  I'd agree

76 points by leephillips 5y ago

The three Russian astronauts in question are all graduates of Bauman Moscow State Technical University, and its colors are yellow and blue. According to the Denver Post (https://www.denverpost.com/2022/03/19/live-updates-thousands-flee-mariupol-as-russians-advance/ https://www.denverpost.com/2022/03/19/live-updates-thousands...), the astronauts claimed today that that's why they chose those colors. Who knows if that's the real reason, but one could certainly imagine that that explanation would be a convenient way to avoid getting themselves in trouble with the Russian authorities.

godDLL 5y ago
Plausible deniability does not work in Russia. If you dry your clothes on the balcony and happen to put a blue towel next to a yellow teeshirt expect a knocking down of your door and family inside. Rounding up of neighbours too.

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app4soft 5y ago

> Russian cosmonauts arrive at ISS in colours of Ukraine flag TL;DR: This is sorta of Russia's kidding like “Russian inside «Ukraine» suit with a Russian Federation flag on top of it” — deep meaning: “Russia want to occupy Ukraine in whole.” JFTR, I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine. Here is my statement for HN:[0] + Verified Ways to Help Ukraine - https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help-the-ukrainian-army/ https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help... + My Patreon - https://patreon.com/app4soft https://patreon.com/app4soft [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897

OJFord 5y ago
What leads you to that interpretation? I don't know if you hit the paywall perhaps, but the article says: > [...] in what appeared to be a daring statement against the war. [my emphasis] > The colour scheme and its dramatic divergence from usual dress codes drew gasps from Nasa officials and members of Nasa’s astronaut corps. “Wow. Just wow,” said Terry Virts, a former US commander of the ISS. > Artemyev, the commander, joked in Russian that there was “a lot of yellow material accumulated at the warehouse” when the flight suits were made.
- app4soft 5y ago
  > What leads you to that interpretation? Man, huh, I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine & I know how Russian propaganda works. N.B. Just now is a morning of Day25[0] of full scale Russo-Ukrainian war.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrai... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
  - OJFord 5y ago
    I can hardly imagine what you and your countrymen are going through, I'm certainly not making light of it. I just don't understand why Russia would put out anti-war propaganda that yes makes a few Russians look good, but ones that are (ostensibly) speaking out against their government, against their country's invasion of yours.
    - app4soft 5y ago
      > I just don't understand why Russia would put out anti-war propaganda that yes makes a few Russians look good You just would not be able to fully understand Russians & how Russian propaganda works if you are not Ukrainian living in Ukraine.[0] I already highlighted "few Russians" which are trying to "look good":[1,2,3,4,5,6] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine-Russia_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine-Russia_relations [1] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1504424886126755840 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1504424886126755840 [2] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1505481614624702467 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1505481614624702467 [3] https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502321643229794310 https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502321643229794310 [4] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502360879697956867 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502360879697956867 [5] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502340942682066946 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502340942682066946 [6] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502353051868401665 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1502353051868401665

earleybird 5y ago

Something seems odd with this. You don't just walk into TSUM a week or two before launch and pick up a new jump suit.

debrice 5y ago
Interesting perspective, could you elaborate?
- iancmceachern 5y ago
  It's taken decades for NASA to refine and release their new space suit. This is a flight suit, so it may be a bit different, but it's not as if one walks into any old tailor and asks for a new flight suit. There has to be lead time, approvals, etc. involved
  - neurotech1 5y ago
    Actually, they pretty much can do that. Flightsuits are not complicated and the NASA ones, almost the same as the ones used in orbit, have been sold at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Center in adult sizes, or at Space Camp. As I recall, the actual astronauts receive standard sized flightsuits which are adjusted by a tailor. Astronauts are almost required to look sharp in public. US military pilots sometimes order squadron flightsuits, with minimal approvals and lead time. If the pilots really wanted to, they are actually measured and tailor made for the pilots, instead of custom ordered from standard sizes. More notably,the US Navy Blue Angles actually walk into a tailor in Pensacola, Florida and get measured for a flightsuit. A few days later they walk out in the first blue and yellow flightsuits we all at airshows, they test fit that suit, fly with it, make any adjustments, before several additional flightsuits are made. For the 75th Anneversary of the Blue Angels[1], they had yellow suits made, presumably with command approval, and it couldn't have been difficult or expensive to have them tailor made for limited use. The Russian cosmonauts and their tailors would have a pretty good idea of what material is approved for space use, and what they have in stock, so tailor made flightsuits would not be a huge undertaking. I'd assume they actually do have a tailor make or adjust the flight suits for the cosmonauts, to minimize the chance of snagging something in space. [0] https://www.pnj.com/videos/news/military/2019/07/26/longtime-pensacola-tailors-make-flights-suits-u-s-navy-blue-angels/1842059001/ https://www.pnj.com/videos/news/military/2019/07/26/longtime... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ndBAx5GHhE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ndBAx5GHhE

abernard1 5y ago

They've had these same uniforms since 2015 [1]. I know that despite this obviously true, verifiable statement, it will not matter to a certain cohort of the professional managerial class. Any criticism of lies will be met with emotes of insincere feeling and being on the "wrong side," irrespective if the lies have actually helped Ukraine. [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505236642088558594 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1505236642088558594

carlosdp 5y ago
This seems like the most likely explanation here, after looking through all the related threads. There's clear evidence these exact uniforms have been used plenty of times by cosmonauts, as recently as last year.
SubiculumCode 5y ago
Glenn Greenwald? He's a hack.
- netsharc 5y ago
  Sigh, he used to be a must-read for me, but his series of tweets linked in grandparent post seem to be just on-brand for his last few years: so bitter and angry. If he compared the pictures he posted, it seems the suits from the current mission has patches of blue whereas the suits from 2015 are just plain yellow with the giant Russian flag across the chest. Sure the question can be asked whether the blue patches came just recently as a protest move, but like many other people, his anger makes him blind.
  - sidibe 5y ago
    He's always just pushed the West is bad narrative. Maybe you agreed with him on a few issues. But he's like that on every issue: liberal democracies are the reason anything is bad in this world. Really obvious to me when he took the side of the pre-ISIS jihadists that took over northern Mali as soon as France finally intervened, he wrote an article where it didn't seem he understood anything about the conflict but just picked the anti-West team as always.

MomoXenosaga 5y ago

Russian cosmonauts will be wearing the Chinese flag soon.

Theodores 5y ago

This is interesting human psychology. You can jump to conclusions based on the colour of the tie that a news anchor is reading. If the news anchor on the other channel also has the same colour tie then you could conclude your assumptions to maybe think that the people in the media support a particular cause but they have to be professional and unbiased. There are a finite amount of colours as well as an infinite amount of colours. For this reason assumptions can be made and conclusions jumped to.

dopa42365 5y ago
Heh, and every color can be interpreted in so many ways that fit so many narratives. Like: White? Statement for piece, definitely. No way it's just default plain white.
- t0bia_s 5y ago
  In some cultures, white cloth is for funerals.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    And surrender.

throwawayfuture 5y ago

The conspiracy theorist in me would think that this effectively non-news is being planted / spread simply to piss Putin off and see how he reacts to it. If anything 'weird' happens to these astronauts after this mission, that's his reaction.

amriksohata 5y ago
I'd agree