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> Criticizing the US war machine doesn't make one a traitor. Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. Gabbard has a very sketch

by rosndo 5y ago

> Criticizing the US war machine doesn't make one a traitor. Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. Gabbard has a very sketchy track record, she traveled to Syria to meet with Assad as a part of a SSNP delegation. What is SSNP you might wonder? It’s sort of a Syrian Nazi party (no, really. Their logo is a Swastika!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Part...

yucky 5y ago
>Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. It wouldn't, but that is a significant accusation you're making. Do you have actual proof, or is this just Red Scare 2.0?
- rosndo 5y ago
  It’s not an accusation, I’m just pointing out that there is in fact a very real scenario where making such statements would be treasonous. But again, Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. I don’t think any criticism of her can be compared with the red scare. She traveled to Syria to meet with the head of a regime the US is actively waging a proxy war against. But it doesn’t end there, it’s the people she went there with. Had she traveled with any other group, you might be able to give her the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps she is not a traitor, but she hangs out with Assad and the middle-eastern Nazi party. I suspect treason might be more defensible. Perhaps you could call hanging out with Assad treasonous, the US has been waging an indirect war against him for years.
  - yucky 5y ago
    >Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her, and had the integrity to resign from the DNC when she caught them sabotaging Bernie's campaign? That Tulsi? I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian..
    - rosndo 5y ago
      > This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her This is not true. Gabbard does not hold a security clearance, you are coming up with things. There is also zero chance she could ever receive such a clearance in the future. Of course, as a congresswoman she would have had access to various intelligence regardless of if she holds a clearance or not. > I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian.. Frankly, I don’t give a shit about the dems and their party line. Gabbard traveled to Syria with a group of nazis in order to hang out with the enemy.
      - yucky 5y ago
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      - rosndo 5y ago
        yucky, for whatever reason your comment is [dead], so I can’t reply to you directly. > I understand it she has been very vocal in her disdain for the Ukrainian Azov Battalion which our current President seems to be aligned with I think it’s different, yes. Not because the nazis in Ukraine are good guys, but because they are fighting for a good cause. I also think it’s dishonest to suggest that Biden or Zelensky are “aligned” with Azov, a group of 500 or so people. They’re just strongly incentivized to tolerate them due to the fact that Azov is currently fighting to defend Ukraine. Arguably supporting them might be a good way to get rid of nazis, as many of them are likely to die in the progress. >I'm guessing you think that is different though right? Azov is helping defend Ukraine. What excuse could Gabbard have to hang out with the SSNP?
        yucky 5y ago
        >Azov is helping defend Ukraine. >What excuse could Gabbard have to hang out with the SSNP? The same. To believe otherwise is to believe that the US imperialism in the Middle East is justified and that any group that stands against it, is morally wrong. Also, apparently Mrs. Gabbard's involvement with the SSNP was limited to some US businessman who helped finance her trip, who essentially was buddies with someone, whose cousin knew a guy who was sympathetic to the SSNP. So you're already overstating your case. https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-baseless-vilification-of-tulsi-gabbard-20190117-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-baseless-vil...
  - jimmygrapes 5y ago
    Why do so many comments about this say "hang out" like it came from a script? Hmm.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      Probably because all of the comments under this post containing those words were written by me? Why would it be a script? Are you questioning the truthfulness of my statements? Do you think I’m trying to misrepresent something?

by rosndo 5y ago

yucky 5y ago

>Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. It wouldn't, but that is a significant accusation you're making. Do you have actual proof, or is this just Red Scare 2.0?

rosndo 5y ago
It’s not an accusation, I’m just pointing out that there is in fact a very real scenario where making such statements would be treasonous. But again, Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. I don’t think any criticism of her can be compared with the red scare. She traveled to Syria to meet with the head of a regime the US is actively waging a proxy war against. But it doesn’t end there, it’s the people she went there with. Had she traveled with any other group, you might be able to give her the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps she is not a traitor, but she hangs out with Assad and the middle-eastern Nazi party. I suspect treason might be more defensible. Perhaps you could call hanging out with Assad treasonous, the US has been waging an indirect war against him for years.
- yucky 5y ago
  >Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her, and had the integrity to resign from the DNC when she caught them sabotaging Bernie's campaign? That Tulsi? I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian..
  - rosndo 5y ago
    > This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her This is not true. Gabbard does not hold a security clearance, you are coming up with things. There is also zero chance she could ever receive such a clearance in the future. Of course, as a congresswoman she would have had access to various intelligence regardless of if she holds a clearance or not. > I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian.. Frankly, I don’t give a shit about the dems and their party line. Gabbard traveled to Syria with a group of nazis in order to hang out with the enemy.
    - yucky 5y ago
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    - rosndo 5y ago
      yucky, for whatever reason your comment is [dead], so I can’t reply to you directly. > I understand it she has been very vocal in her disdain for the Ukrainian Azov Battalion which our current President seems to be aligned with I think it’s different, yes. Not because the nazis in Ukraine are good guys, but because they are fighting for a good cause. I also think it’s dishonest to suggest that Biden or Zelensky are “aligned” with Azov, a group of 500 or so people. They’re just strongly incentivized to tolerate them due to the fact that Azov is currently fighting to defend Ukraine. Arguably supporting them might be a good way to get rid of nazis, as many of them are likely to die in the progress. >I'm guessing you think that is different though right? Azov is helping defend Ukraine. What excuse could Gabbard have to hang out with the SSNP?
      - yucky 5y ago
        >Azov is helping defend Ukraine. >What excuse could Gabbard have to hang out with the SSNP? The same. To believe otherwise is to believe that the US imperialism in the Middle East is justified and that any group that stands against it, is morally wrong. Also, apparently Mrs. Gabbard's involvement with the SSNP was limited to some US businessman who helped finance her trip, who essentially was buddies with someone, whose cousin knew a guy who was sympathetic to the SSNP. So you're already overstating your case. https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-baseless-vilification-of-tulsi-gabbard-20190117-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-baseless-vil...
- jimmygrapes 5y ago
  Why do so many comments about this say "hang out" like it came from a script? Hmm.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    Probably because all of the comments under this post containing those words were written by me? Why would it be a script? Are you questioning the truthfulness of my statements? Do you think I’m trying to misrepresent something?