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The polish isn't as shiny as it once was. Let's fix the Music app no? How about passwords? What about the complete failure of a window manager on macOS. Featur

The polish isn't as shiny as it once was. Let's fix the Music app no? How about passwords? What about the complete failure of a window manager on macOS. Feature bloat has plagued Apple developers to the point nobody knows how to wrangle all the gestures and interactions properly. Even a man as diligent as Steve, I suspect, wouldn't know what to do with the current state of things. He'd probably just burn it all down and start over with the front end, as is the natural order of things.

FractalHQ 5y ago
I use Rectangle for tiling and Bitwarden desktop app for passwords. Highly recommend them!
imwillofficial 5y ago
A massive company with dozens of apps have some that don’t meet your arbitrarily high bar? Shocker. Music works fine. Passwords work fine. The window manager works fine. Revolutionary? No. Needing an update? I think so. A failure? Only in your fevered dreams.
- Forgeties79 5y ago
  There are a few core features music is missing on top of their semi-unintuitive interface. For starters, it’s as hard for me to plug my phone in on multiple computers without licensing alerts going nuts/blocking certain songs despite the fact the music was bought through them. That is baffling to me given how synchronized Apple ID usually is.
- enos_feedler 5y ago
  Feel the same way. There are some uninspiring apps but they can't update all apps all the time. 2 things matter: 1) they are not being decprecated or ignored. Thats for google to do. and 2) when they do finally get a non-incremental update, they usually are much better. Meaning, they batched together a bunch of things that were true problems and fixed them in a smart/clever way.
Bud 5y ago
People forget that iTunes was a mess while Steve was still alive. Now it's considerably improved.
- Forgeties79 5y ago
  I’m curious what era in particular you are talking about. Maybe I have rose tinted glasses but I remember iTunes being pretty great in the late 2000’s/early 2010s.
- reaperducer 5y ago
  It gets worse, and it gets better. Apple Music still won't sync all of my wife's MP3 songs to her iPhone 13 Pro, even though she pays for the subscription. Some stuff goes through. Some doesn't. It's very random. My iPhone X syncs fine, even wirelessly, with the same library, though. I'm just glad (OK, amazed) that Apple Music still syncs songs with my 17-year-old first-generation iPod Shuffle. I used it just yesterday. My only complaint is that the icon displayed in the Finder sidebar for the second-generation Shuffles has the wrong aspect ratio. Still the best music player on the planet.
TillE 5y ago
I know X11 WMs have had all sorts of fancy features for decades, but I've never seen any particular benefit from them personally. The Mac desktop works extremely well when used more or less as intended for the vast majority of Mac users (ie, on a laptop): with a multi-touch trackpad, flicking rapidly between virtual desktops, and flicking up to see everything at once.
- majormajor 5y ago
  Yeah, ever since Expose launched in 10.3 (Panther?) I haven't seen a better window manager for a laptop.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >flicking rapidly between virtual desktops Honestly, that's a terrible workflow for me. Due to the nature of my work, many times I need to tile 2, 3 or 4 windows on the same screen so I can view them all at once. Flicking quickly between them instead of having them all static in front of me is a UX nightmare that gives me eye strain just thinking about it. I have no idea how people mange to multi task efficiently by flicking and not get headaches, or on desktop with a mouse and keyboard, but maybe Apple thinks most of its customers are content creators who should just be focusing on one app at a time and never need to tile several. I guess I just wasn't meant to be an Apple customer. For my type of work, I much prefer the Windows/Linux way of having the flicking option for laptops but also great out of the box tiling built in.
  - knolan 5y ago
    You don’t have to flick anything. Windows align against each other and you can position them how you like. You can even configure it to always open specific apps in a particular virtual desktop should you chose. If you want a full screen app that you flick through like an iPad you can. If you want a mess of windows on one desktop you can use App Exposé to see only the ones from a particular app. If you want a tiling manager you can install one. If you want to turn off all the gestures you can. It’s a mature desktop OS that has many ways of doing things.
asiachick 5y ago
I wish they'd fix the home/end key. It's on their external keyboard but it's mostly useless without third party os extensiosns
- knolan 5y ago
  What do you mean? I use fn left and fn right arrow for home and end.
  - asiachick 5y ago
    I try to use the home and end keys but unlike Linux and windows they are generally broke in various apps including system apps https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-us-english https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-...
Forgeties79 5y ago
It’s kind of baffling how clunky/featureless/unintuitive apple’s Music app is, right? Most of their apps are slick and intuitive, but Music is just so…bad. Especially given how amazing iTunes used to be!
- toomim 5y ago
  It used to be so great... :-(

FractalHQ 5y ago

I use Rectangle for tiling and Bitwarden desktop app for passwords. Highly recommend them!

imwillofficial 5y ago

A massive company with dozens of apps have some that don’t meet your arbitrarily high bar? Shocker. Music works fine. Passwords work fine. The window manager works fine. Revolutionary? No. Needing an update? I think so. A failure? Only in your fevered dreams.

Forgeties79 5y ago
There are a few core features music is missing on top of their semi-unintuitive interface. For starters, it’s as hard for me to plug my phone in on multiple computers without licensing alerts going nuts/blocking certain songs despite the fact the music was bought through them. That is baffling to me given how synchronized Apple ID usually is.
enos_feedler 5y ago
Feel the same way. There are some uninspiring apps but they can't update all apps all the time. 2 things matter: 1) they are not being decprecated or ignored. Thats for google to do. and 2) when they do finally get a non-incremental update, they usually are much better. Meaning, they batched together a bunch of things that were true problems and fixed them in a smart/clever way.

Bud 5y ago

People forget that iTunes was a mess while Steve was still alive. Now it's considerably improved.

Forgeties79 5y ago
I’m curious what era in particular you are talking about. Maybe I have rose tinted glasses but I remember iTunes being pretty great in the late 2000’s/early 2010s.
reaperducer 5y ago
It gets worse, and it gets better. Apple Music still won't sync all of my wife's MP3 songs to her iPhone 13 Pro, even though she pays for the subscription. Some stuff goes through. Some doesn't. It's very random. My iPhone X syncs fine, even wirelessly, with the same library, though. I'm just glad (OK, amazed) that Apple Music still syncs songs with my 17-year-old first-generation iPod Shuffle. I used it just yesterday. My only complaint is that the icon displayed in the Finder sidebar for the second-generation Shuffles has the wrong aspect ratio. Still the best music player on the planet.

TillE 5y ago

I know X11 WMs have had all sorts of fancy features for decades, but I've never seen any particular benefit from them personally. The Mac desktop works extremely well when used more or less as intended for the vast majority of Mac users (ie, on a laptop): with a multi-touch trackpad, flicking rapidly between virtual desktops, and flicking up to see everything at once.

majormajor 5y ago
Yeah, ever since Expose launched in 10.3 (Panther?) I haven't seen a better window manager for a laptop.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>flicking rapidly between virtual desktops Honestly, that's a terrible workflow for me. Due to the nature of my work, many times I need to tile 2, 3 or 4 windows on the same screen so I can view them all at once. Flicking quickly between them instead of having them all static in front of me is a UX nightmare that gives me eye strain just thinking about it. I have no idea how people mange to multi task efficiently by flicking and not get headaches, or on desktop with a mouse and keyboard, but maybe Apple thinks most of its customers are content creators who should just be focusing on one app at a time and never need to tile several. I guess I just wasn't meant to be an Apple customer. For my type of work, I much prefer the Windows/Linux way of having the flicking option for laptops but also great out of the box tiling built in.
- knolan 5y ago
  You don’t have to flick anything. Windows align against each other and you can position them how you like. You can even configure it to always open specific apps in a particular virtual desktop should you chose. If you want a full screen app that you flick through like an iPad you can. If you want a mess of windows on one desktop you can use App Exposé to see only the ones from a particular app. If you want a tiling manager you can install one. If you want to turn off all the gestures you can. It’s a mature desktop OS that has many ways of doing things.

asiachick 5y ago

I wish they'd fix the home/end key. It's on their external keyboard but it's mostly useless without third party os extensiosns

knolan 5y ago
What do you mean? I use fn left and fn right arrow for home and end.
- asiachick 5y ago
  I try to use the home and end keys but unlike Linux and windows they are generally broke in various apps including system apps https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-us-english https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-...

Forgeties79 5y ago

It’s kind of baffling how clunky/featureless/unintuitive apple’s Music app is, right? Most of their apps are slick and intuitive, but Music is just so…bad. Especially given how amazing iTunes used to be!

toomim 5y ago
It used to be so great... :-(