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Elden ring doesn’t have an explicit easy mode, but you definitely can play it in easy mode. You can outlevel weak enemies, play with mage, and for bosses just s

by soared 5y ago

Elden ring doesn’t have an explicit easy mode, but you definitely can play it in easy mode. You can outlevel weak enemies, play with mage, and for bosses just summon in other players to kill them for you.

UncleMeat 5y ago
"Just grind to level up" is, in my opinion, a way worse system than "go to the menu and select 'easy mode.'" The effect is roughly the same but takes hours of boring gameplay rather than five seconds of menuing. I'd be much more receptive to the "no easymode" argument if the games didn't have RPG elements at their very core.
- farmerstan 5y ago
  I bought elden ring and I’m not used to open world games and have found I'm not a fan. I’ve been grinding and have made no progress and am about to give up.
  - theta_d 5y ago
    The problem isn't that it's open world, it's that there is zero guidance. There are no quests markers, no quest log, anything. The most you get is the ability to put markers on the map.
    - mpfundstein 5y ago
      so what precisely is the problem? if you listen to what noc s are saying, its quite hard actually to not know where to go. furthermore, there is not much dialogue. and its also not that you have 30 quests at the same time open. heck, snes game havent gotten quest logs either. just use a notepad?
- dkersten 5y ago
  My experience with the game has been that I've been over-levelled for almost all bosses (and the ones I wasn't were all optional), just by exploring the world. The game is designed so that if you get stuck somewhere, you can go do something else and come back later. If you stubbornly hammer your head against the one challenge or focus purely on the critical path, then I feel the difficulty is self-inflicted. For example, some of the early bosses I've heard people complain about, Margit and Crucible Knight, I beat first try without much difficulty at all because I explored the starting areas thoroughly before reaching them and was naturally overpowered. I plan to actually play again when I'm done and purposely not level just so I can experience the challenge. Speaking of self-inflicted, I've also seen a ton of people (eg on Reddit and Youtube) complaining that they're being one-shotted by bosses with their high level characters, but when they share their stats, they pumped everything into a damage dealing stat and few (or often NONE!) into their health. Of course they're being one-shotted if they don't increase their health. Again, this difficulty seems completely self-inflicted. There are some truly hard bosses, for sure, but with a game as huge as Elden Ring and with as much value for money as Elden Ring is, I think people just have to make peace with the fact that unless you're dedicated to overcoming the challenges it presents, you may not see every bit of content the game has to offer. FROM Software certainly are ok with that.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >> Of course they're being one-shotted if they don't increase their health. Again, this difficulty seems completely self-inflicted. Unfortunately it happens to the same people who will shout the loudest that "BUT THE GAME DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT", as if somehow that should validate their (wrong) choices in the game. It's a role playing game. That's what the RP stands for in RPG. If you are role playing someone with inhumane strength but no health whatsoever, then you have to accept consequences of your choices. Like the other comment said - games require a certain level of literacy, not just in terms of actual reading but also in terms of understanding what the stats actually mean.
    - UncleMeat 5y ago
      This can still fail, though. Consider DS1. Resistance is a stat you can put points into. It does virtually nothing. Little in the game will make it obvious that putting points into Resistance will be a waste. "Well, you made bad choices" is not a perfect defense against this.
- honkycat 5y ago
  Games have literacy in a way books have literacy. I would not recommend a casual reader pick up "A Brief History of 7 Killings" but it is still a great book. Fromsoft games have an author, Miyazaki, and that author has the right to decide how their work is presented and engaged with. Honestly I agree that there should be an "accessibility mode" but I understand why it is not in there. Musicians don't include a "kids bop" copy of their albums
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    Yet we also translate books, even when recognizing that translations will always interfere with an original vision. Miyazaki has the right to set whatever difficulty he wants. My complaint is less with FromSoft. I've resigned myself to the fact that they'll never release a game with difficulty that is accessible to everybody. My complaint is more with the community, who sees any discussion of "hey the monster design and lore and scenery look cool but I can't get past the Asylum Demon" as some sort of threat and responds with vitriol. The discussion here has been largely positive but even here I've got somebody who decided to just respond "git gud." You can imagine how it goes on reddit or twitter.
    - bbradley406 5y ago
      It's funny you picked the Asylum Demon as an example. At the first encounter with it you don't even have your class-specific weapon. Anyone who would try to fight it for more than a few attempts with the starting weapon (broken sword that does almost no damage) is just not treating it like an RPG. Lowering the difficulty is not going to fix that. If the devs cater the game to players who can't be bothered to explore or read their own characters stats, it will ruin a lot of aspects that most fans enjoy. After seeing so many franchises release boring, easy, focus-grouped games (where the difficulty is just HP and damage multipliers) time and time again, can you really blame fans for saying "No, don't change it, we like the game how it is"? Almost all of the From Souls games are highly regarded classics, and sticking to their guns on design philosophy is a big part of that. PS run through the grate door, pick up your weapons and plunge attack Asylum Demon, or pick Black Firebombs as your starting gift (only takes 4-5 to kill him)
    - 5y ago
- ReptileMan 5y ago
  There is always trainer and offline mode

by soared 5y ago

UncleMeat 5y ago

"Just grind to level up" is, in my opinion, a way worse system than "go to the menu and select 'easy mode.'" The effect is roughly the same but takes hours of boring gameplay rather than five seconds of menuing. I'd be much more receptive to the "no easymode" argument if the games didn't have RPG elements at their very core.

farmerstan 5y ago
I bought elden ring and I’m not used to open world games and have found I'm not a fan. I’ve been grinding and have made no progress and am about to give up.
- theta_d 5y ago
  The problem isn't that it's open world, it's that there is zero guidance. There are no quests markers, no quest log, anything. The most you get is the ability to put markers on the map.
  - mpfundstein 5y ago
    so what precisely is the problem? if you listen to what noc s are saying, its quite hard actually to not know where to go. furthermore, there is not much dialogue. and its also not that you have 30 quests at the same time open. heck, snes game havent gotten quest logs either. just use a notepad?
dkersten 5y ago
My experience with the game has been that I've been over-levelled for almost all bosses (and the ones I wasn't were all optional), just by exploring the world. The game is designed so that if you get stuck somewhere, you can go do something else and come back later. If you stubbornly hammer your head against the one challenge or focus purely on the critical path, then I feel the difficulty is self-inflicted. For example, some of the early bosses I've heard people complain about, Margit and Crucible Knight, I beat first try without much difficulty at all because I explored the starting areas thoroughly before reaching them and was naturally overpowered. I plan to actually play again when I'm done and purposely not level just so I can experience the challenge. Speaking of self-inflicted, I've also seen a ton of people (eg on Reddit and Youtube) complaining that they're being one-shotted by bosses with their high level characters, but when they share their stats, they pumped everything into a damage dealing stat and few (or often NONE!) into their health. Of course they're being one-shotted if they don't increase their health. Again, this difficulty seems completely self-inflicted. There are some truly hard bosses, for sure, but with a game as huge as Elden Ring and with as much value for money as Elden Ring is, I think people just have to make peace with the fact that unless you're dedicated to overcoming the challenges it presents, you may not see every bit of content the game has to offer. FROM Software certainly are ok with that.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >> Of course they're being one-shotted if they don't increase their health. Again, this difficulty seems completely self-inflicted. Unfortunately it happens to the same people who will shout the loudest that "BUT THE GAME DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT", as if somehow that should validate their (wrong) choices in the game. It's a role playing game. That's what the RP stands for in RPG. If you are role playing someone with inhumane strength but no health whatsoever, then you have to accept consequences of your choices. Like the other comment said - games require a certain level of literacy, not just in terms of actual reading but also in terms of understanding what the stats actually mean.
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    This can still fail, though. Consider DS1. Resistance is a stat you can put points into. It does virtually nothing. Little in the game will make it obvious that putting points into Resistance will be a waste. "Well, you made bad choices" is not a perfect defense against this.
honkycat 5y ago
Games have literacy in a way books have literacy. I would not recommend a casual reader pick up "A Brief History of 7 Killings" but it is still a great book. Fromsoft games have an author, Miyazaki, and that author has the right to decide how their work is presented and engaged with. Honestly I agree that there should be an "accessibility mode" but I understand why it is not in there. Musicians don't include a "kids bop" copy of their albums
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  Yet we also translate books, even when recognizing that translations will always interfere with an original vision. Miyazaki has the right to set whatever difficulty he wants. My complaint is less with FromSoft. I've resigned myself to the fact that they'll never release a game with difficulty that is accessible to everybody. My complaint is more with the community, who sees any discussion of "hey the monster design and lore and scenery look cool but I can't get past the Asylum Demon" as some sort of threat and responds with vitriol. The discussion here has been largely positive but even here I've got somebody who decided to just respond "git gud." You can imagine how it goes on reddit or twitter.
  - bbradley406 5y ago
    It's funny you picked the Asylum Demon as an example. At the first encounter with it you don't even have your class-specific weapon. Anyone who would try to fight it for more than a few attempts with the starting weapon (broken sword that does almost no damage) is just not treating it like an RPG. Lowering the difficulty is not going to fix that. If the devs cater the game to players who can't be bothered to explore or read their own characters stats, it will ruin a lot of aspects that most fans enjoy. After seeing so many franchises release boring, easy, focus-grouped games (where the difficulty is just HP and damage multipliers) time and time again, can you really blame fans for saying "No, don't change it, we like the game how it is"? Almost all of the From Souls games are highly regarded classics, and sticking to their guns on design philosophy is a big part of that. PS run through the grate door, pick up your weapons and plunge attack Asylum Demon, or pick Black Firebombs as your starting gift (only takes 4-5 to kill him)
  - 5y ago
ReptileMan 5y ago
There is always trainer and offline mode