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Why not include testing of a native game, like World of Warcraft or Balder's Gate 3 in addition to testing an x86 game under emulation? They are making it soun

Why not include testing of a native game, like World of Warcraft or Balder's Gate 3 in addition to testing an x86 game under emulation? They are making it sound like the performance of an emulated x86 game on OpenGL is the only level of performance you can ever expect.

bdz 5y ago
Tomb Raider is only relevant in this discussion because it has a very detailed and fine built-in benchmark system. Not every game does have that (like neither WoW or Baldur's Gate 3)
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  WoW didn't suddenly lose the ability to report framerates.
  - bdz 5y ago
    No but you can't compare it. Tomb Raider loads a pre-rendered scene that is the same every single time you start the benchmark thus you can compare it across systems. That's the point of it and hence became a staple alongside with other games (some games are even notorious about it because that's their only use case [0]) WoW doesn't have anything like that. And everything can affect the frame rate from the mobs in the zone, the weather, the unique players with unique transmog, the raids are different every single time etc. It's not just loading the game and there you have X framerate and that's the score, that's not a benchmark. 0, https://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/01/the-game-thats-more-known-for-being-a-benchmark-is-now-in-beta/ https://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/01/the-game-thats-more-known-...
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      Which would be fine, if the story was: >Apple's new M1 Ultra isn't faster than an RTX 3090 when running x86 games under emulation But it's not.
      - somebehemoth 5y ago
        Perhaps, but this discussion would be moot if Apple did the same, “M1 GPU faster that RTX [under specific scenario]”. But they didn’t do that and here we are.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        Are you expecting Intel or AMD to announce a new chip and only tell you the level of performance you can expect while running ARM software under emulation?
smoldesu 5y ago
That's probably why they included the Mac-first, native Geekbench score.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  They also test the native performance of Photoshop's notoriously computationally intensive brushes. >Ultra also enabled Alex to use features of Photoshop that he’s never been able to use before. The process that blew all of our professionals’ minds was the brushes. Alex was able to paint a white layer with a media brush, and it was instant — it really looked like he was painting with a physical brush. That tool requires so much computing power that many current machines can’t handle it. It was a breeze for the Studio. “Having a machine like this in my daily process would change everything,” Alex told me after his testing period. https://www.theverge.com/22981815/apple-mac-studio-m1-ultra-max-review https://www.theverge.com/22981815/apple-mac-studio-m1-ultra-...
  - ianai 5y ago
    That would have been a much better take to include than the graphics apple shared in the announcement. Probably would have sold more units faster, not that it was needed.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    How is this relevant to a comparison between the 3090 and the M1 Ultra? They're comparing it to the Macs they already own.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      Because Adobe software doesn't tap into CUDA if you have an NVidia graphics card on a PC?

bdz 5y ago

Tomb Raider is only relevant in this discussion because it has a very detailed and fine built-in benchmark system. Not every game does have that (like neither WoW or Baldur's Gate 3)

GeekyBear 5y ago
WoW didn't suddenly lose the ability to report framerates.
- bdz 5y ago
  No but you can't compare it. Tomb Raider loads a pre-rendered scene that is the same every single time you start the benchmark thus you can compare it across systems. That's the point of it and hence became a staple alongside with other games (some games are even notorious about it because that's their only use case [0]) WoW doesn't have anything like that. And everything can affect the frame rate from the mobs in the zone, the weather, the unique players with unique transmog, the raids are different every single time etc. It's not just loading the game and there you have X framerate and that's the score, that's not a benchmark. 0, https://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/01/the-game-thats-more-known-for-being-a-benchmark-is-now-in-beta/ https://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/01/the-game-thats-more-known-...
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    Which would be fine, if the story was: >Apple's new M1 Ultra isn't faster than an RTX 3090 when running x86 games under emulation But it's not.
    - somebehemoth 5y ago
      Perhaps, but this discussion would be moot if Apple did the same, “M1 GPU faster that RTX [under specific scenario]”. But they didn’t do that and here we are.
      - GeekyBear 5y ago
        Are you expecting Intel or AMD to announce a new chip and only tell you the level of performance you can expect while running ARM software under emulation?

smoldesu 5y ago

That's probably why they included the Mac-first, native Geekbench score.

GeekyBear 5y ago
They also test the native performance of Photoshop's notoriously computationally intensive brushes. >Ultra also enabled Alex to use features of Photoshop that he’s never been able to use before. The process that blew all of our professionals’ minds was the brushes. Alex was able to paint a white layer with a media brush, and it was instant — it really looked like he was painting with a physical brush. That tool requires so much computing power that many current machines can’t handle it. It was a breeze for the Studio. “Having a machine like this in my daily process would change everything,” Alex told me after his testing period. https://www.theverge.com/22981815/apple-mac-studio-m1-ultra-max-review https://www.theverge.com/22981815/apple-mac-studio-m1-ultra-...
- ianai 5y ago
  That would have been a much better take to include than the graphics apple shared in the announcement. Probably would have sold more units faster, not that it was needed.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  How is this relevant to a comparison between the 3090 and the M1 Ultra? They're comparing it to the Macs they already own.
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    Because Adobe software doesn't tap into CUDA if you have an NVidia graphics card on a PC?