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>But all of the reliable evidence is that if you’re vaccinated, boosted, etc., the chance of you being seriously ill from catching COVID is really no more likel

>But all of the reliable evidence is that if you’re vaccinated, boosted, etc., the chance of you being seriously ill from catching COVID is really no more likely than the flu. The best of my understanding is that the evidence indicates that if you're vaccinated and boosted, you'll likely test negative for covid. Testing negative seems great, but what if the whole story is that while you do test negative, you still end up suffering seriously from a covid-like illness you wouldn't otherwise have experienced if the pandemic wasn't raging? Basically, there's not enough data out yet to say if those who test negative but get a covid-like illness fare better due to their vaccines in terms of hospitalization and death. But Chris Masterjohn is doing some awesome research to try to find out. In short, he's trying to figure out if the vaccines are worth taking at all. At the end of the day, people want to avoid suffering the symptoms of a disease and couldn't care less if they can merely pass a test.

scarface74 5y ago
You will very much test positive for Covid if you’re vaccinated and boosted. I’m not aware of anyone on either “side” that say anything different. I tested positive when I had it in December as well as most other people I know that got it. But we do know that Covid isn’t going anywhere and we aren’t going to beat it like we did Smallpox. That isn’t a controversial opinion either. No one on either side has claimed otherwise. At this point, you will eventually get a strain of Covid unless you never leave the house or socialize with anyone. But that goes back to my main question. What are you going to do except accept the inevitable and start living life like you did pre-2020? The only thing I can do is follow the mainstream medical advice and get tested often just to be considerate of others. At this point the only time I wear a mask is when it’s mandated or when I’m going to the grocery store or drug store. Those are places people have to be even if they are immune compromised.
- silverpepsi 5y ago
  >You will very much test positive for Covid if you’re vaccinated and boosted. I'm not denying that some people who are vaccinated test positive, but I'm saying they dismiss people who test negative as not having Covid. So if vaccinated people catch Covid and test negative for Covid, their illnesses and hospitalizations are completely dismissed as if they aren't part of the problem and the pandemic. That means vaccines are being given credit for keeping a whole lot of people out of the hospital who haven't been kept out. They've merely managed to test negative whilst still being hospitalized with very serious symptoms. The data that shows this is that the vaccinated get hospitalized 6 times more often than those with natural immunity. Working vaccines would lead us to expect something closer to 1:1. None of these vaccines would have ever met the required 50% efficacy threshold to get approved if we started over today using what is known as a starting point. I still feel blessed I had the opportunity to choose NOT to try an mRNA one, just looking at my congenital heart defect and myocarditis risks I felt way safer with J&J. >start living life like you did pre-2020? I went so hardcore for so long, and was so sure I'd die if I caught it, I reached a breaking point August 2021 where I just didn't care and couldn't care anymore. March 2020 I had gone 100% on social distancing, I didn't speak to anyone for around 16 months. Flew to South Korea to hide when they had 30 some cases a day nationwide, spent 40 days in various government quarantines (Thailand's as well) to stay in hiding and out of high risk countries. I actually had anxiety about whether or not I'd ever be able to reintegrate into society and socialize again.

scarface74 5y ago

You will very much test positive for Covid if you’re vaccinated and boosted. I’m not aware of anyone on either “side” that say anything different. I tested positive when I had it in December as well as most other people I know that got it. But we do know that Covid isn’t going anywhere and we aren’t going to beat it like we did Smallpox. That isn’t a controversial opinion either. No one on either side has claimed otherwise. At this point, you will eventually get a strain of Covid unless you never leave the house or socialize with anyone. But that goes back to my main question. What are you going to do except accept the inevitable and start living life like you did pre-2020? The only thing I can do is follow the mainstream medical advice and get tested often just to be considerate of others. At this point the only time I wear a mask is when it’s mandated or when I’m going to the grocery store or drug store. Those are places people have to be even if they are immune compromised.

silverpepsi 5y ago
>You will very much test positive for Covid if you’re vaccinated and boosted. I'm not denying that some people who are vaccinated test positive, but I'm saying they dismiss people who test negative as not having Covid. So if vaccinated people catch Covid and test negative for Covid, their illnesses and hospitalizations are completely dismissed as if they aren't part of the problem and the pandemic. That means vaccines are being given credit for keeping a whole lot of people out of the hospital who haven't been kept out. They've merely managed to test negative whilst still being hospitalized with very serious symptoms. The data that shows this is that the vaccinated get hospitalized 6 times more often than those with natural immunity. Working vaccines would lead us to expect something closer to 1:1. None of these vaccines would have ever met the required 50% efficacy threshold to get approved if we started over today using what is known as a starting point. I still feel blessed I had the opportunity to choose NOT to try an mRNA one, just looking at my congenital heart defect and myocarditis risks I felt way safer with J&J. >start living life like you did pre-2020? I went so hardcore for so long, and was so sure I'd die if I caught it, I reached a breaking point August 2021 where I just didn't care and couldn't care anymore. March 2020 I had gone 100% on social distancing, I didn't speak to anyone for around 16 months. Flew to South Korea to hide when they had 30 some cases a day nationwide, spent 40 days in various government quarantines (Thailand's as well) to stay in hiding and out of high risk countries. I actually had anxiety about whether or not I'd ever be able to reintegrate into society and socialize again.