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“They also imply that nearly five hundred times as much land is gained through warming as is lost through sea level rise, which makes it odd that only the latte

by ianai 5y ago

“They also imply that nearly five hundred times as much land is gained through warming as is lost through sea level rise, which makes it odd that only the latter is commonly included in discussions of the effects of climate change.” Not odd. Wars are fought over “border changes” and resources which this definitely constitutes. The changes would be global and so would the war. This is a very simplistic view to the point of neglect crossing into malice.

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somenameforme 5y ago
> "The changes would be global and so would the war." One thing that might lead different people to different perspectives is reflected in your choice of words. Climate change and sea level rise is not a future tense, but a present tense scenario. It's already happening. It's easy to view it as something that happens where you go from today's "normal" to the sea rise of the future and perceive the chaos that must entail. The NOAA, in their 2019 report, puts the worst case scenario at up to 5 meters by the year 2300. [1] So the tail end worst outcome results in an overall sea level rise of less than 2cm a year. There is of course an acceleration but it's relatively gradual. It never goes from zero to 'Let's go swimming on Main St.' If you'd like to see what might happen in a hyper-accelerated case of sea level rise, you can follow the news about Bangkok. Bangkok is a city that was built on a marshy soft clay type terrain and so the literal weight of urbanization and development within the city is causing the city to sink by compressing the terrain under the city. This is further compounded by real sea level rise, local climate conditions (annual extreme typhoons), and relatively poor infrastructure. A bit of a perfect storm. Estimates vary but the city is sinking by around 2cm per year. It's an issue and is affecting the city. But it's not really triggering a panic or causing any sort of chaos. The city is trying to resolve the issue using technological and developmental solutions, and life more or less goes on. Should the solutions prove untenable I expect the city will gradually start to decline in population with a proportional increase in population to outlying areas. And life continues. [1] - https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148494/anticipating-future-sea-levels https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148494/anticipating...

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somenameforme 5y ago

> "The changes would be global and so would the war." One thing that might lead different people to different perspectives is reflected in your choice of words. Climate change and sea level rise is not a future tense, but a present tense scenario. It's already happening. It's easy to view it as something that happens where you go from today's "normal" to the sea rise of the future and perceive the chaos that must entail. The NOAA, in their 2019 report, puts the worst case scenario at up to 5 meters by the year 2300. [1] So the tail end worst outcome results in an overall sea level rise of less than 2cm a year. There is of course an acceleration but it's relatively gradual. It never goes from zero to 'Let's go swimming on Main St.' If you'd like to see what might happen in a hyper-accelerated case of sea level rise, you can follow the news about Bangkok. Bangkok is a city that was built on a marshy soft clay type terrain and so the literal weight of urbanization and development within the city is causing the city to sink by compressing the terrain under the city. This is further compounded by real sea level rise, local climate conditions (annual extreme typhoons), and relatively poor infrastructure. A bit of a perfect storm. Estimates vary but the city is sinking by around 2cm per year. It's an issue and is affecting the city. But it's not really triggering a panic or causing any sort of chaos. The city is trying to resolve the issue using technological and developmental solutions, and life more or less goes on. Should the solutions prove untenable I expect the city will gradually start to decline in population with a proportional increase in population to outlying areas. And life continues. [1] - https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148494/anticipating-future-sea-levels https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148494/anticipating...