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Is seems like people have forgotten any lesson the cold war gave us. About the principles of peaceful coexistence that allowed us to be alive today. Anything t

Is seems like people have forgotten any lesson the cold war gave us. About the principles of peaceful coexistence that allowed us to be alive today. Anything that can further the mutual understanding in culture, art and science between peoples is a good thing. It is our duty to do anything to ensure the peace. People seem to prefer to advertise their moral rightfulness even at the risk at dooming humanity. After all, everyone who doesn't agree must be a Putin-loving traitor. Putin's Russia might be a fact of live for many years still to come and we will need to live with them. I know people wish otherwise but that is not how the world works.

gameswithgo 5y ago
We have been doing that with Russia for 30 years and clearly it had no positive impact, maybe we can try again soon but right now we have more pressing matters. Also this was really russias call to end space cooperation, not EU.
- cardanome 5y ago
  Putin was pretty pro-West, even wanted Russia to join NATO when he started out. Analyzing what happened and how the mistakes can be avoided might be a good step. I recommend watching this video of Vladimir Pozner speaking about it at Yale University. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Ng75e5gQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Ng75e5gQ As for right now, I guess the main thing is to support the refugees as best we can and pray they will be able to return soon.
notahacker 5y ago
We can live with Russia and share cultural experiences with Russians without directly funding its military industrial complex though. Not to mention the practical complications introduced in cooperating with Roscosmos by Putin's unilateral decision to end the peace. It's safe to say ESA has dropped contractors for a lot less.
- cardanome 5y ago
  The space programs goals is primary to further scientific research, not sure how it directly contributes to the military. Nobody ended any peace. The fight between Putin's Russia and NATO is purely on the ideological and economic level. It was the decision of NATO to escalate it. Ukraine was neither part of EU nor NATO. The war has nothing to do with NATO other than them supporting the other side. Were the support for Syrian rebels or the bombing of Libya military attacks on Russia? No. NATO countries have invaded plenty of countries. People just have more sympathy with Ukrainians because they are not "brown people".
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    > The space programs goals is primary to further scientific research, not sure how it directly contributes to the military. * Incentivizes improvement of rocket technology which can be readily repurposed for long distance weapons deployment * Establishes space based surveillance technologies vital to military intelligence > Nobody ended any peace I'm pretty sure the tanks rolling through Ukraine right now contradict this assessment.
    - cardanome 5y ago
      > I'm pretty sure the tanks rolling through Ukraine right now contradict this assessment. The war in Ukraine started in 2014. Also I was talking about peace between the Russian Federation and NATO countries.
      - sergeykish 5y ago
        War has started in 2014, RF has occupied parts of the Ukraine, used special forces for proxy war in Ukrainan Donbass, 15,000 killed, 30,000 wounded, about 1,000,000 displaced. RF specifically bombs civilians, kills womans and children.
  - gameswithgo 5y ago
    You are sick individual, children are being exploded because of the ego of Putin, and this decision has made it clear how necessary NATO is. Yes NATO countries including mine have done the same kind of evil, and may the world reject any future actions the same way it is rejecting this action by russia. May hell exist and may you and monsters who think like you burn in it.

gameswithgo 5y ago

We have been doing that with Russia for 30 years and clearly it had no positive impact, maybe we can try again soon but right now we have more pressing matters. Also this was really russias call to end space cooperation, not EU.

cardanome 5y ago
Putin was pretty pro-West, even wanted Russia to join NATO when he started out. Analyzing what happened and how the mistakes can be avoided might be a good step. I recommend watching this video of Vladimir Pozner speaking about it at Yale University. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Ng75e5gQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Ng75e5gQ As for right now, I guess the main thing is to support the refugees as best we can and pray they will be able to return soon.

notahacker 5y ago

We can live with Russia and share cultural experiences with Russians without directly funding its military industrial complex though. Not to mention the practical complications introduced in cooperating with Roscosmos by Putin's unilateral decision to end the peace. It's safe to say ESA has dropped contractors for a lot less.

cardanome 5y ago
The space programs goals is primary to further scientific research, not sure how it directly contributes to the military. Nobody ended any peace. The fight between Putin's Russia and NATO is purely on the ideological and economic level. It was the decision of NATO to escalate it. Ukraine was neither part of EU nor NATO. The war has nothing to do with NATO other than them supporting the other side. Were the support for Syrian rebels or the bombing of Libya military attacks on Russia? No. NATO countries have invaded plenty of countries. People just have more sympathy with Ukrainians because they are not "brown people".
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  > The space programs goals is primary to further scientific research, not sure how it directly contributes to the military. * Incentivizes improvement of rocket technology which can be readily repurposed for long distance weapons deployment * Establishes space based surveillance technologies vital to military intelligence > Nobody ended any peace I'm pretty sure the tanks rolling through Ukraine right now contradict this assessment.
  - cardanome 5y ago
    > I'm pretty sure the tanks rolling through Ukraine right now contradict this assessment. The war in Ukraine started in 2014. Also I was talking about peace between the Russian Federation and NATO countries.
    - sergeykish 5y ago
      War has started in 2014, RF has occupied parts of the Ukraine, used special forces for proxy war in Ukrainan Donbass, 15,000 killed, 30,000 wounded, about 1,000,000 displaced. RF specifically bombs civilians, kills womans and children.
- gameswithgo 5y ago
  You are sick individual, children are being exploded because of the ego of Putin, and this decision has made it clear how necessary NATO is. Yes NATO countries including mine have done the same kind of evil, and may the world reject any future actions the same way it is rejecting this action by russia. May hell exist and may you and monsters who think like you burn in it.