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It is probably/definitely me but I watched the long video and did not learn anything and then read the GitHub example for a few minutes and got it. I have a har

It is probably/definitely me but I watched the long video and did not learn anything and then read the GitHub example for a few minutes and got it. I have a hard time understanding why ‘young people’ (or maybe all people outside myself as it sometimes feels) enjoy videos; text is so much faster for everything but learning how to render a wall (stuff with your hands). Then again, I never went to lectures in uni vs reading books, papers and syllabi; the latter I found to be much faster. Anyway, congrats with the project; it seems pretty common sense idea wise so it is nice but cannot see many people jumping through the hoops and adopt it; people are too opinionated (including me).

Rodeoclash 5y ago
I couldn't agree more. I produce a bit of music and one thing I can never remember how to do without looking it up is side chain compression. I don't use it very often but when I do, I always have to Google what the controls / routing is to be able to do it. In the beginning it was forum posts, maybe with a couple of images to help illustrate where to click etc. Now it's 10 minute YouTube videos replete with needless introductions about the person creating it and hat in hand begging for likes or subscriptions. You have to go digging to find what you're looking for. I've been experimenting in this space a bit though (weirdly enough with video game tutorials). I'd be interested in how others find this format for learning or understanding concepts. Here's an example https://apex-fundamentalists.vodon.gg/videos/0e074984-f9f0-4c49-b74c-d36b24e2e4c4 https://apex-fundamentalists.vodon.gg/videos/0e074984-f9f0-4...
staticassertion 5y ago
Video is nice for multitasking. I can't read and do anything else at the same time. I can listen to a video, glance at it, and do other things too.
- rco8786 5y ago
  There’s absolutely no way you’re internalizing what’s in that video while it’s playing in the background.
  - tluyben2 5y ago
    That's my issue too; it is fine for tv shows and movies to register if they are worth watching 'for real', but also there, if I am working on something hard, I often notice that 4 episodes have passed and I have 0 clue what happened.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    Sure there is. I code while watching videos all the time.
logarhythm 5y ago
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad to hear that you understood the concept from the text documentation. We decided to include both videos and text in the documentation because we know that people are different, and have different preferences for learning. You're right that people are opinionated, and that it's difficult to convince them to try new ideas. However, I've been pleasantly surprised at how open the Clojure community has been to our concept and at the momentum it's starting to build. It'll be interesting to see if other language communities have the same mindset.
- tluyben2 5y ago
  It's great you do this really. More ideas on how to actually get to LEGO (promised in software for a long, long time) like development. But yeah, even more than languages, I would think you need a massive following to get traction. Happy the community likes it!
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    > More ideas on how to actually get to LEGO (promised in software for a long, long time) I think for this reason the Lego analogy needs to be completely abandoned. Every effort of software modularization has been analogized to Lego at some point, and yet they all fall short. No arhicture claims they are the equivalent of twine glue and toothpicks, even if that's what it ends up being. So any N+1 language/framework/architecture promising it's going to be Lego (for reals this time), even if it does actually deliver, will not be taken seriously when they make the claim.
    - tluyben2 5y ago
      Well, good ABI/API’s and, let me really clearly separate this from the word ‘good’, standard OS GUI frameworks like Windows wpf and Mac OS X cacao for frontends is as far Lego as I have seen for now. Web frontends is where it all goes terribly wrong; nothing fits and everything breaks when you put X into Y when X and Y are from other authors generally. It is a shit show. But for backends and internally it can be done with good APIs. Problem is… not many people can write those, so you end up with something that says lego on the pack but is in fact lego after your ‘always was a bit weird’ cousin played with it with his flamethrower.
FpUser 5y ago
>"It is probably/definitely me but I watched the long video and did not learn anything" This is because the video says how nice would it be to have a banana without a slightest description of what the banana is and why do we need it. Absolutely useless video. And yes I very much prefer reading a document for understanding concepts. As for the project itself. I did a very brief reading and I fail to grasp any particular value. Basically what I understood is that if you organize your code in some particular way we will do some particular things. Maybe if they've presented clear example I would be willing to dig in deeper. For now I've "invested" couple of minutes and watched that "nothing" video and I do not think I'll invest any more time. Maybe it is my loss and their idea is amazing but they definitely do not make it easy to understand what's in it for me.
- logarhythm 5y ago
  Before you completely give up on understanding the concept, I would like to suggest you try the 10-minute "Polylith in a Nutshell" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz8slbpGvnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz8slbpGvnk If you watch it at 1.5x speed, then it'll take less than 7 minutes of your time. If you're still not getting the "why" of Polylith after this video, then I'd be very grateful if you could give us some quick feedback on what you're missing. That will help us figure out how to explain the concepts better in the future.
  - cjg 5y ago
    That was the video I watched and I just don't get what is different about polylith. The video spends too long telling me things I already know - e.g. what are functions / objects / layers / etc. Tell me something I don't know - such as what makes Polylith unique. The video says this is "Components". Well what's so different about those? They sound like microservices or perhaps high-level objects. Or perhaps interfaces. Show an example!
    - logarhythm 5y ago
      The idea with that part of the video was to couch the new concept (components) within the framework of existing concepts (functions, objects, layers, etc.) to try to help people connect the new concept at the right place in their knowledge graph. Though your feedback makes me think it didn't work as well as I hoped. Components do have attributes in common with microservices and with stateless objects (e.g. a public interface and encapsulated implementation). Where components differ from microservices is that a component's interface is simply a collection of functions, rather than network-facing endpoints. This means that multiple components can be deployed into a single artefact, keeping deployment complexity and cost down. Where components differ from objects is that a component is a higher-level abstraction, closer in scope to a microservice. However, we think that Polylith's biggest differentiator is the separation it gives between development and production. Let's say you have a Polylith project with 100 components, that you deploy in production across 10 services. You can work with all 100 components in a single development environment, and test them as though they're a monolith, even though they're not deployed that way in production. It's a lot like building systems with LEGO, and we think its just as fun!
rco8786 5y ago
Agreed wholeheartedly. It’s something that has been bugging me for a while. I can consume information maybe 3-5x faster (or more?) via text vs video but every trend I can see points to video being the preferred medium for Gen Z. Is it because they’re “video native” and know how to navigate it better? Surely they’re not sitting through 2 minutes introductions. Do they inherently understand how to return to the important parts of a video for future reference? My brain just does not operate like theirs, it seems.
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- tluyben2 5y ago
  I wonder the same; often I look up programming things and the first links are videos. So I try to watch one and immediately I think; how can anyone anyone do work like this? I needed a flag for ls and was too lazy to read the man page; the result was already put in 1 line on top by Google. Of course I needed only 5 chars only. Then I clicked the video that answered the question for fun; I will try to find it but I think it was 15 minutes of drivel… I just don’t get it. I mean sure I understand why the video makers do it, but who consumes this crap? And why? And it is getting worse; I like watching live streams of programming, but when you actually want to learn something and therefor need to enter code yourself, there is nothing more inefficient medium than video imho.
- hackerfromthefu 5y ago
  It could be habit from the wiring of their brain being setup for video from social media. But following your idea of finding a reason that assumes it's actually more beneficial learning from video than text for people in that class, you need to consider two alternatives. The first is that they are better at video, but the second is that they are worse as long form text.
  - rco8786 5y ago
    Oh yea, I totally assume that they know what they’re doing. It’s just clear that I’m not wired that way. I didn’t grow up with videos accessible to the point of ubiquity like Z has.

Rodeoclash 5y ago

I couldn't agree more. I produce a bit of music and one thing I can never remember how to do without looking it up is side chain compression. I don't use it very often but when I do, I always have to Google what the controls / routing is to be able to do it. In the beginning it was forum posts, maybe with a couple of images to help illustrate where to click etc. Now it's 10 minute YouTube videos replete with needless introductions about the person creating it and hat in hand begging for likes or subscriptions. You have to go digging to find what you're looking for. I've been experimenting in this space a bit though (weirdly enough with video game tutorials). I'd be interested in how others find this format for learning or understanding concepts. Here's an example https://apex-fundamentalists.vodon.gg/videos/0e074984-f9f0-4c49-b74c-d36b24e2e4c4 https://apex-fundamentalists.vodon.gg/videos/0e074984-f9f0-4...

staticassertion 5y ago

Video is nice for multitasking. I can't read and do anything else at the same time. I can listen to a video, glance at it, and do other things too.

rco8786 5y ago
There’s absolutely no way you’re internalizing what’s in that video while it’s playing in the background.
- tluyben2 5y ago
  That's my issue too; it is fine for tv shows and movies to register if they are worth watching 'for real', but also there, if I am working on something hard, I often notice that 4 episodes have passed and I have 0 clue what happened.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  Sure there is. I code while watching videos all the time.

logarhythm 5y ago

Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad to hear that you understood the concept from the text documentation. We decided to include both videos and text in the documentation because we know that people are different, and have different preferences for learning. You're right that people are opinionated, and that it's difficult to convince them to try new ideas. However, I've been pleasantly surprised at how open the Clojure community has been to our concept and at the momentum it's starting to build. It'll be interesting to see if other language communities have the same mindset.

tluyben2 5y ago
It's great you do this really. More ideas on how to actually get to LEGO (promised in software for a long, long time) like development. But yeah, even more than languages, I would think you need a massive following to get traction. Happy the community likes it!
- ModernMech 5y ago
  > More ideas on how to actually get to LEGO (promised in software for a long, long time) I think for this reason the Lego analogy needs to be completely abandoned. Every effort of software modularization has been analogized to Lego at some point, and yet they all fall short. No arhicture claims they are the equivalent of twine glue and toothpicks, even if that's what it ends up being. So any N+1 language/framework/architecture promising it's going to be Lego (for reals this time), even if it does actually deliver, will not be taken seriously when they make the claim.
  - tluyben2 5y ago
    Well, good ABI/API’s and, let me really clearly separate this from the word ‘good’, standard OS GUI frameworks like Windows wpf and Mac OS X cacao for frontends is as far Lego as I have seen for now. Web frontends is where it all goes terribly wrong; nothing fits and everything breaks when you put X into Y when X and Y are from other authors generally. It is a shit show. But for backends and internally it can be done with good APIs. Problem is… not many people can write those, so you end up with something that says lego on the pack but is in fact lego after your ‘always was a bit weird’ cousin played with it with his flamethrower.

FpUser 5y ago

>"It is probably/definitely me but I watched the long video and did not learn anything" This is because the video says how nice would it be to have a banana without a slightest description of what the banana is and why do we need it. Absolutely useless video. And yes I very much prefer reading a document for understanding concepts. As for the project itself. I did a very brief reading and I fail to grasp any particular value. Basically what I understood is that if you organize your code in some particular way we will do some particular things. Maybe if they've presented clear example I would be willing to dig in deeper. For now I've "invested" couple of minutes and watched that "nothing" video and I do not think I'll invest any more time. Maybe it is my loss and their idea is amazing but they definitely do not make it easy to understand what's in it for me.

logarhythm 5y ago
Before you completely give up on understanding the concept, I would like to suggest you try the 10-minute "Polylith in a Nutshell" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz8slbpGvnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz8slbpGvnk If you watch it at 1.5x speed, then it'll take less than 7 minutes of your time. If you're still not getting the "why" of Polylith after this video, then I'd be very grateful if you could give us some quick feedback on what you're missing. That will help us figure out how to explain the concepts better in the future.
- cjg 5y ago
  That was the video I watched and I just don't get what is different about polylith. The video spends too long telling me things I already know - e.g. what are functions / objects / layers / etc. Tell me something I don't know - such as what makes Polylith unique. The video says this is "Components". Well what's so different about those? They sound like microservices or perhaps high-level objects. Or perhaps interfaces. Show an example!
  - logarhythm 5y ago
    The idea with that part of the video was to couch the new concept (components) within the framework of existing concepts (functions, objects, layers, etc.) to try to help people connect the new concept at the right place in their knowledge graph. Though your feedback makes me think it didn't work as well as I hoped. Components do have attributes in common with microservices and with stateless objects (e.g. a public interface and encapsulated implementation). Where components differ from microservices is that a component's interface is simply a collection of functions, rather than network-facing endpoints. This means that multiple components can be deployed into a single artefact, keeping deployment complexity and cost down. Where components differ from objects is that a component is a higher-level abstraction, closer in scope to a microservice. However, we think that Polylith's biggest differentiator is the separation it gives between development and production. Let's say you have a Polylith project with 100 components, that you deploy in production across 10 services. You can work with all 100 components in a single development environment, and test them as though they're a monolith, even though they're not deployed that way in production. It's a lot like building systems with LEGO, and we think its just as fun!

rco8786 5y ago

Agreed wholeheartedly. It’s something that has been bugging me for a while. I can consume information maybe 3-5x faster (or more?) via text vs video but every trend I can see points to video being the preferred medium for Gen Z. Is it because they’re “video native” and know how to navigate it better? Surely they’re not sitting through 2 minutes introductions. Do they inherently understand how to return to the important parts of a video for future reference? My brain just does not operate like theirs, it seems.

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tluyben2 5y ago
I wonder the same; often I look up programming things and the first links are videos. So I try to watch one and immediately I think; how can anyone anyone do work like this? I needed a flag for ls and was too lazy to read the man page; the result was already put in 1 line on top by Google. Of course I needed only 5 chars only. Then I clicked the video that answered the question for fun; I will try to find it but I think it was 15 minutes of drivel… I just don’t get it. I mean sure I understand why the video makers do it, but who consumes this crap? And why? And it is getting worse; I like watching live streams of programming, but when you actually want to learn something and therefor need to enter code yourself, there is nothing more inefficient medium than video imho.
hackerfromthefu 5y ago
It could be habit from the wiring of their brain being setup for video from social media. But following your idea of finding a reason that assumes it's actually more beneficial learning from video than text for people in that class, you need to consider two alternatives. The first is that they are better at video, but the second is that they are worse as long form text.
- rco8786 5y ago
  Oh yea, I totally assume that they know what they’re doing. It’s just clear that I’m not wired that way. I didn’t grow up with videos accessible to the point of ubiquity like Z has.