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> ...hearing British people declaring they loved curry could come across as a crass postcolonial misrepresentation When you travel to Japan and go to an Indian

> ...hearing British people declaring they loved curry could come across as a crass postcolonial misrepresentation When you travel to Japan and go to an Indian restaurant, the food tastes and is presented differently than it is in India. Then if you travel to Greece and find a small Indian restaurant, the Indian food is different there from the other versions. Same in Africa, South America, Europe. All of the Indian food sold in these places are nearly unrecognizable from each other. This variation isn't limited to Indian food. It's the same with Thai food, Chinese food, Indonesian food, Italian food, Mexican food, Greek food, Japanese food. The ways of preparing and presenting these cuisines in foreign lands are as varied as the countries themselves. It's probably a human universal: restaurant owners of ethnic restaurants change recipes to suit local taste and popularity.

bruce511 5y ago
Yes, food transplanted is always food adapted to local tastes and ingredients. What I find interesting is the way that strict recipe following culture interacts with interpretive make-it-up-as-you-go culture. Take Italy for example - recipe culture is very strict - you make the dish _exactly_ the way Grandma taught you or it is wrong (and by implication bad). Italy has an incredible food culture, and this strictness has resulted in amazing food being largely unchanged for hundreds of years. Every village member has experienced the exact same lasagne for ever - even if it's just the tiniest bit different to the next village. By contrast countries with little or no food culture simply adopt and fuse everything they come across. The UK is a good example, long lambasted for bland food, there was nothing to lose and everything was assimilated. It promotes experimentation - mixing things never thought of - every day a new adventure. Each influence is named, "Indian", "Chinese", "Thai", all of which would be unrecognisable in those areas. In one sense it is none of those, it is "British" food. Thus an Indian restaurant in London does not pretend to be "authentic" (unless of course it explicitly does) - it wants to offer an amazing meal you will enjoy. An Indian meal in London is different to one in Mumbai is different to one in Beijing is different to one in Washington - and I think the world is richer for that.
- astrange 5y ago
  I'm not sure why everyone jokes about British food being bland. That's actually Japanese food. British food is all the same color (brown), often some kind of sludge with mystery bits in it, and they want you to try several different gross things all called "pickle", but they have spices. Mustard is a spice.
  - rendall 5y ago
    Japanese food bland?
    - jmillikin 5y ago
      Traditional Japanese food (washoku, 和食) could be described as "subtle", "delicate", or maybe "mild" -- in other words, bland. The strongest flavor you're likely to encounter is pickled vegetables. Luckily, Japan has a long history of importing recipes from other cultures, for example ramen. I live in Tokyo and haven't had much success locating spicy Indian-style curry, but Sichuan-style dishes are widely available and will blow your tongue off if you're not expecting it (I didn't know what 四川 translated to at first, but I made sure to look it up later...).
      - rendall 5y ago
        Having enjoyed Japanese food all around the world, including when I lived in Japan, speaking personally, "bland" would not be my first adjective, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - hkt 5y ago
    Excuse me sir, but I am forced to correct a grievous error in your post. Some of our food is beige.
    - Beltalowda 5y ago
      I never knew it was actually possible to boil broccoli and carrots for so long they start to lose their colour. Then I moved to the UK and had dinner with my girlfriends' parents and discovered you can!
blueblisters 5y ago
It's hard to find "authentic Indian" food anywhere, not even in India. There is a lot of intra-regional and inter-regional variations and interpretations of dishes, even the popular ones. Indian cuisine and recipes were never standardized - they were prepared according the availability of ingredients and the recipes were passed down by word of mouth or never escaped household, unlike European or even East Asian cuisines. Even the relatively recent phenomena of restaurants, street joints and highway dhabas experiment a lot with ingredients and preparations. I think this is also perhaps partly why Indian food has not established itself in the fine-dining scene in North America and Europe, yet people get shocked when they see a dish priced at $16+ in a local Indian restaurant (the preparations are elaborate and laborious).
- rosndo 5y ago
  > I think this is also perhaps partly why Indian food has not established itself in the fine-dining scene in North America and Europe European fine-dining scene hasn’t entirely ignored Indian restaurants, UK has 8 Indian restaurants with Michelin stars.
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  What I love to see, in an Indian restaurant, is a chef who is inventive. Sure, put Bombay Aloo and Rogan Josh on the menu, but let yourself go! Some of the nicest curries I've ever had were at a "fine dining" Indian restaurant where they served rabbit, venison and "street food" like pani puri (with a twist). And they did amazing cocktails. It was expensive, but who cares? If you went to a Michelin Star restaurant, would you expect a bog-standard Caesar salad, Chicken Chasseur and Black Forest Gateau (all made "the traditional way")? Nope. You'd want the chef to surprise you. Why should any cuisine limit itself to "Mama's cookbook"?
- op00to 5y ago
  I’ve gone to an Indian fine dining restaurant in Manhattan a few times - it is very close to the office, but VERY expensive. The food was exactly like the cheap Indian food cart outside the office. Good whisky though!
  - 5y ago
nigerian1981 5y ago
Indians have their own twist on Chinese food using spices you wouldn’t normally associate with Chinese cuisine.

bruce511 5y ago

Yes, food transplanted is always food adapted to local tastes and ingredients. What I find interesting is the way that strict recipe following culture interacts with interpretive make-it-up-as-you-go culture. Take Italy for example - recipe culture is very strict - you make the dish _exactly_ the way Grandma taught you or it is wrong (and by implication bad). Italy has an incredible food culture, and this strictness has resulted in amazing food being largely unchanged for hundreds of years. Every village member has experienced the exact same lasagne for ever - even if it's just the tiniest bit different to the next village. By contrast countries with little or no food culture simply adopt and fuse everything they come across. The UK is a good example, long lambasted for bland food, there was nothing to lose and everything was assimilated. It promotes experimentation - mixing things never thought of - every day a new adventure. Each influence is named, "Indian", "Chinese", "Thai", all of which would be unrecognisable in those areas. In one sense it is none of those, it is "British" food. Thus an Indian restaurant in London does not pretend to be "authentic" (unless of course it explicitly does) - it wants to offer an amazing meal you will enjoy. An Indian meal in London is different to one in Mumbai is different to one in Beijing is different to one in Washington - and I think the world is richer for that.

astrange 5y ago
I'm not sure why everyone jokes about British food being bland. That's actually Japanese food. British food is all the same color (brown), often some kind of sludge with mystery bits in it, and they want you to try several different gross things all called "pickle", but they have spices. Mustard is a spice.
- rendall 5y ago
  Japanese food bland?
  - jmillikin 5y ago
    Traditional Japanese food (washoku, 和食) could be described as "subtle", "delicate", or maybe "mild" -- in other words, bland. The strongest flavor you're likely to encounter is pickled vegetables. Luckily, Japan has a long history of importing recipes from other cultures, for example ramen. I live in Tokyo and haven't had much success locating spicy Indian-style curry, but Sichuan-style dishes are widely available and will blow your tongue off if you're not expecting it (I didn't know what 四川 translated to at first, but I made sure to look it up later...).
    - rendall 5y ago
      Having enjoyed Japanese food all around the world, including when I lived in Japan, speaking personally, "bland" would not be my first adjective, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- hkt 5y ago
  Excuse me sir, but I am forced to correct a grievous error in your post. Some of our food is beige.
  - Beltalowda 5y ago
    I never knew it was actually possible to boil broccoli and carrots for so long they start to lose their colour. Then I moved to the UK and had dinner with my girlfriends' parents and discovered you can!

blueblisters 5y ago

It's hard to find "authentic Indian" food anywhere, not even in India. There is a lot of intra-regional and inter-regional variations and interpretations of dishes, even the popular ones. Indian cuisine and recipes were never standardized - they were prepared according the availability of ingredients and the recipes were passed down by word of mouth or never escaped household, unlike European or even East Asian cuisines. Even the relatively recent phenomena of restaurants, street joints and highway dhabas experiment a lot with ingredients and preparations. I think this is also perhaps partly why Indian food has not established itself in the fine-dining scene in North America and Europe, yet people get shocked when they see a dish priced at $16+ in a local Indian restaurant (the preparations are elaborate and laborious).

rosndo 5y ago
> I think this is also perhaps partly why Indian food has not established itself in the fine-dining scene in North America and Europe European fine-dining scene hasn’t entirely ignored Indian restaurants, UK has 8 Indian restaurants with Michelin stars.
raffraffraff 5y ago
What I love to see, in an Indian restaurant, is a chef who is inventive. Sure, put Bombay Aloo and Rogan Josh on the menu, but let yourself go! Some of the nicest curries I've ever had were at a "fine dining" Indian restaurant where they served rabbit, venison and "street food" like pani puri (with a twist). And they did amazing cocktails. It was expensive, but who cares? If you went to a Michelin Star restaurant, would you expect a bog-standard Caesar salad, Chicken Chasseur and Black Forest Gateau (all made "the traditional way")? Nope. You'd want the chef to surprise you. Why should any cuisine limit itself to "Mama's cookbook"?
op00to 5y ago
I’ve gone to an Indian fine dining restaurant in Manhattan a few times - it is very close to the office, but VERY expensive. The food was exactly like the cheap Indian food cart outside the office. Good whisky though!
- 5y ago

nigerian1981 5y ago

Indians have their own twist on Chinese food using spices you wouldn’t normally associate with Chinese cuisine.