3 ms·

So the solution you're describing is: apply public posturing to appease the mob, and highlight the queer/LGBT-positive stance of the company (while disregarding

So the solution you're describing is: apply public posturing to appease the mob, and highlight the queer/LGBT-positive stance of the company (while disregarding the importance of its engineers, given that Mozilaa is a tech company first, not a social justice company)? Since when have a "good fraction of their user base", i.e. of Mozilla's, been the queer and LGBT community?

grey_earthling 5y ago
> apply public posturing to appease the mob, and highlight the queer/LGBT-positive stance of the company I'm not suggesting public posturing. I'm suggesting sincerity. > given that Mozilaa is a tech company first, not a social justice company I don't accept that premise. ~20 years ago, Mozilla was primarily about empowering all ordinary people to make full use of the web. They talked about their mission rather than products; they used slogans like “Take back the web” [from big corporations] and “This technology could fall into the right hands”; and they unironically used revolutionary socialist imagery. If they were just a tech company I wouldn't care about them. > Since when have a "good fraction of their user base", i.e. of Mozilla's, been the queer and LGBT community? Always. Depending on where you get your numbers from, around 15% to 25% of people are LGBTQ+. The fraction appears higher among people born since about 1990, for the same reason that the number of left-handed people appeared to increase in the 1950s. And the proportion of people who believe that LGBTQ+ people are worthy of dignity (which is the group Mozilla would be alienating) is even higher than that.
- knighthack 5y ago
  > Always. Depending on where you get your numbers from, around 15% to 25% of people are LGBTQ+. I would love sources for that statement, otherwise I will have to call bunk. We're talking about a global population of Firefox users.

grey_earthling 5y ago

> apply public posturing to appease the mob, and highlight the queer/LGBT-positive stance of the company I'm not suggesting public posturing. I'm suggesting sincerity. > given that Mozilaa is a tech company first, not a social justice company I don't accept that premise. ~20 years ago, Mozilla was primarily about empowering all ordinary people to make full use of the web. They talked about their mission rather than products; they used slogans like “Take back the web” [from big corporations] and “This technology could fall into the right hands”; and they unironically used revolutionary socialist imagery. If they were just a tech company I wouldn't care about them. > Since when have a "good fraction of their user base", i.e. of Mozilla's, been the queer and LGBT community? Always. Depending on where you get your numbers from, around 15% to 25% of people are LGBTQ+. The fraction appears higher among people born since about 1990, for the same reason that the number of left-handed people appeared to increase in the 1950s. And the proportion of people who believe that LGBTQ+ people are worthy of dignity (which is the group Mozilla would be alienating) is even higher than that.

knighthack 5y ago
> Always. Depending on where you get your numbers from, around 15% to 25% of people are LGBTQ+. I would love sources for that statement, otherwise I will have to call bunk. We're talking about a global population of Firefox users.