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Republicans complaining that the word treason is sometimes used in a sense different from the one in the constitution is rich... It sorta went mainstream with t

Republicans complaining that the word treason is sometimes used in a sense different from the one in the constitution is rich... It sorta went mainstream with their last guy. And, arguably, this instance is far closer to the tradition meaning of the word than, say, Barack Obama when he was labeled as such: treason is supporting a foreign enemy in war. Gabbard et al clearly have connections to and sympathy for Putin and people close to him. There's quite a bit of money changing hands, as well. The only formal element missing is that the US is not officially at war with Russia.

yucky 5y ago
>The only formal element missing is that the US is not officially at war with Russia. Yes and my dog would be a bird, if he wasn't a dog. Words have meanings. Criticizing the US war machine doesn't make one a traitor. Good to see the Neocons have found themselves a new home though..
- rosndo 5y ago
  > Criticizing the US war machine doesn't make one a traitor. Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. Gabbard has a very sketchy track record, she traveled to Syria to meet with Assad as a part of a SSNP delegation. What is SSNP you might wonder? It’s sort of a Syrian Nazi party (no, really. Their logo is a Swastika!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Part...
  - yucky 5y ago
    >Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. It wouldn't, but that is a significant accusation you're making. Do you have actual proof, or is this just Red Scare 2.0?
    - rosndo 5y ago
      It’s not an accusation, I’m just pointing out that there is in fact a very real scenario where making such statements would be treasonous. But again, Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. I don’t think any criticism of her can be compared with the red scare. She traveled to Syria to meet with the head of a regime the US is actively waging a proxy war against. But it doesn’t end there, it’s the people she went there with. Had she traveled with any other group, you might be able to give her the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps she is not a traitor, but she hangs out with Assad and the middle-eastern Nazi party. I suspect treason might be more defensible. Perhaps you could call hanging out with Assad treasonous, the US has been waging an indirect war against him for years.
      - yucky 5y ago
        >Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her, and had the integrity to resign from the DNC when she caught them sabotaging Bernie's campaign? That Tulsi? I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian..
        rosndo 5y ago
        > This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her This is not true. Gabbard does not hold a security clearance, you are coming up with things. There is also zero chance she could ever receive such a clearance in the future. Of course, as a congresswoman she would have had access to various intelligence regardless of if she holds a clearance or not. > I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian.. Frankly, I don’t give a shit about the dems and their party line. Gabbard traveled to Syria with a group of nazis in order to hang out with the enemy.
        yucky 5y ago

yucky 5y ago

>The only formal element missing is that the US is not officially at war with Russia. Yes and my dog would be a bird, if he wasn't a dog. Words have meanings. Criticizing the US war machine doesn't make one a traitor. Good to see the Neocons have found themselves a new home though..

rosndo 5y ago
> Criticizing the US war machine doesn't make one a traitor. Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. Gabbard has a very sketchy track record, she traveled to Syria to meet with Assad as a part of a SSNP delegation. What is SSNP you might wonder? It’s sort of a Syrian Nazi party (no, really. Their logo is a Swastika!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Part...
- yucky 5y ago
  >Criticizing the US war machine on behalf of a foreign government might. It wouldn't, but that is a significant accusation you're making. Do you have actual proof, or is this just Red Scare 2.0?
  - rosndo 5y ago
    It’s not an accusation, I’m just pointing out that there is in fact a very real scenario where making such statements would be treasonous. But again, Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. I don’t think any criticism of her can be compared with the red scare. She traveled to Syria to meet with the head of a regime the US is actively waging a proxy war against. But it doesn’t end there, it’s the people she went there with. Had she traveled with any other group, you might be able to give her the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps she is not a traitor, but she hangs out with Assad and the middle-eastern Nazi party. I suspect treason might be more defensible. Perhaps you could call hanging out with Assad treasonous, the US has been waging an indirect war against him for years.
    - yucky 5y ago
      >Gabbard has a history of incredibly sketchy behaviour. This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her, and had the integrity to resign from the DNC when she caught them sabotaging Bernie's campaign? That Tulsi? I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian..
      - rosndo 5y ago
        > This is the same Tulsi Gabbard who currently has security clearance that indicates that the US Government trusts her This is not true. Gabbard does not hold a security clearance, you are coming up with things. There is also zero chance she could ever receive such a clearance in the future. Of course, as a congresswoman she would have had access to various intelligence regardless of if she holds a clearance or not. > I mean, I get that there is no room left for nuance in politics, but are we really at the point that anybody who doesn't tow the party line is guilty of treason? Fucking Orwellian.. Frankly, I don’t give a shit about the dems and their party line. Gabbard traveled to Syria with a group of nazis in order to hang out with the enemy.
        yucky 5y ago