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There are no emotions involved here, with the exception of your childish choice to try misconstrue my argument. I consider the MPEG family as objectively better

There are no emotions involved here, with the exception of your childish choice to try misconstrue my argument. I consider the MPEG family as objectively better on the technical merit of GPU/VPU hardware decoding being available everywhere - it's fast and it's energy efficient.

themerone 5y ago
This is not true. AV1 is at least as widely supported as VVC. Nothing supports hardware decoding if mpeg EVC, and hardware decoding if the original mpeg 4 (xvid generation) was never a big deal.
clouddrover 5y ago
> There are no emotions involved here Of course there are. This is typical. > I consider the MPEG family as objectively better on the technical merit of GPU/VPU hardware decoding being available everywhere Then there will never be any codec development. It's a silly position to take.
- daneel_w 5y ago
  You're very stubborn with telling me what my position and my own arguments are. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're not just looking for people to rile up, but rather have the bad habit of leaping ahead and making other people's arguments and stances up on your own to better fit your desired counterpoint, so I'll clarify: I am certainly not against new development or progress, and I don't think that it's pointless to put an effort into AV1 or VP9. As I wrote elsewhere in this discussion, I just don't see this taking off until there's hardware decoding available, which I fully expect there to be. I'm merely underlining that the MPEG family is the state of the art.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > I just don't see this taking off until there's hardware decoding available Hardware decoding is available. And dav1d is a very fast software decoder. I don't have AV1 hardware and yet I play back AV1 on YouTube just fine via dav1d. > I'm merely underlining that the MPEG family is the state of the art. It isn't.

themerone 5y ago

This is not true. AV1 is at least as widely supported as VVC. Nothing supports hardware decoding if mpeg EVC, and hardware decoding if the original mpeg 4 (xvid generation) was never a big deal.

clouddrover 5y ago

> There are no emotions involved here Of course there are. This is typical. > I consider the MPEG family as objectively better on the technical merit of GPU/VPU hardware decoding being available everywhere Then there will never be any codec development. It's a silly position to take.

daneel_w 5y ago
You're very stubborn with telling me what my position and my own arguments are. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're not just looking for people to rile up, but rather have the bad habit of leaping ahead and making other people's arguments and stances up on your own to better fit your desired counterpoint, so I'll clarify: I am certainly not against new development or progress, and I don't think that it's pointless to put an effort into AV1 or VP9. As I wrote elsewhere in this discussion, I just don't see this taking off until there's hardware decoding available, which I fully expect there to be. I'm merely underlining that the MPEG family is the state of the art.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > I just don't see this taking off until there's hardware decoding available Hardware decoding is available. And dav1d is a very fast software decoder. I don't have AV1 hardware and yet I play back AV1 on YouTube just fine via dav1d. > I'm merely underlining that the MPEG family is the state of the art. It isn't.