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Why do you think we are sanctioning Russia? To degrade their ability to project war in Ukraine. 'Russian Developers' are material to the development of the Rus

Why do you think we are sanctioning Russia? To degrade their ability to project war in Ukraine. 'Russian Developers' are material to the development of the Russian economy, which is the basis for which the war is projected. Sanctions could very well spread into software in which FOSS would likely be a part of it, and the terms of the licensing may not really matter. It's for the same reason that Intel, Nvidia and a host of others have dropped shipments, at least for the time being.

exizt88 5y ago
By that logic, any harm to any Russians, even those living outside of Russia but e.g. sending money back home, would also negatively affect the development of the Russian economy. How far would you follow that logic? Which Russians should be harmed, in your opinion, and how much?
- diordiderot 5y ago
  Sending money to Russia as remittances, by anyone, should be banned, end of story. No need to harm 'ethnic or cultural' Russians Just Russian citizens with wealth or those insidevthe legal jurisdiction of Russia.
  - AlfeG 5y ago
    Why not ban Saudi for bombing Yemen? Or torture Bush administration and anyone who voted or supported them?
    - 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
      To answer your first question: Oil.
  - exizt88 5y ago
    I think that's a different logic from what the comment that I was replying to was trying to convey. BTW, you should know that sending money to Russia is almost an impossibility as it is. For example, living in Russia, I couldn't accept a consulting job from Kazakhstan because we couldn't figure out a way for them to pay me.
    - vogre 5y ago
      Impossible for ordinary workers, but it's absolutely possible to pay for gas, titanium, uranium and other staff millions of dollars every day.
- jollybean 5y ago
  We live in a world of grey so the 'everything is grey' logic doesn't help. We have proportionality, we draw lines, we target individuals differently that government than industry than high tech that commodities than consumer services etc.. In my view, we should be doing much more, borderline embargo. Russian military gains in Ukraine will never, ever be conceded by anything other that either force or 'near collapse' of economic conditions (or overthrow of regime). Russia can 'put bodies' in Crimea, NW of Kyiv basically to act as targets forever, Kyiv doesn't have the manpower to route them even if they can defend themselves. Strategically, this implies Russia can merely endure some local pain and make permanent territorial gains. In 10 years, this war might be like Afghanistan or Iraq, something that '55-75 demographic' watches on the news but otherwise everyone else is busy on TikTok - which is what Putin wants. He can definitely win the war of attribution because he has a much longer frame view of things, and is willing to pay the cost of 'No Volvos or Starbucks for 25 years'. Other nations that play the long-tame (like China) are watching.
defen 5y ago
Who is going to enforce terms like "Russians aren't allowed to use this"? Russian courts?
- jollybean 5y ago
  We don't need courts, we just don't give them the stuff, and pressure those trying to 'sneak them stuff' to stop. Much like Aribus/Boeing is telling anyone that is thinking of providing parts and service to those 100 Jets that they are cutoff if they do that.

exizt88 5y ago

By that logic, any harm to any Russians, even those living outside of Russia but e.g. sending money back home, would also negatively affect the development of the Russian economy. How far would you follow that logic? Which Russians should be harmed, in your opinion, and how much?

diordiderot 5y ago
Sending money to Russia as remittances, by anyone, should be banned, end of story. No need to harm 'ethnic or cultural' Russians Just Russian citizens with wealth or those insidevthe legal jurisdiction of Russia.
- AlfeG 5y ago
  Why not ban Saudi for bombing Yemen? Or torture Bush administration and anyone who voted or supported them?
  - 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
    To answer your first question: Oil.
- exizt88 5y ago
  I think that's a different logic from what the comment that I was replying to was trying to convey. BTW, you should know that sending money to Russia is almost an impossibility as it is. For example, living in Russia, I couldn't accept a consulting job from Kazakhstan because we couldn't figure out a way for them to pay me.
  - vogre 5y ago
    Impossible for ordinary workers, but it's absolutely possible to pay for gas, titanium, uranium and other staff millions of dollars every day.
jollybean 5y ago
We live in a world of grey so the 'everything is grey' logic doesn't help. We have proportionality, we draw lines, we target individuals differently that government than industry than high tech that commodities than consumer services etc.. In my view, we should be doing much more, borderline embargo. Russian military gains in Ukraine will never, ever be conceded by anything other that either force or 'near collapse' of economic conditions (or overthrow of regime). Russia can 'put bodies' in Crimea, NW of Kyiv basically to act as targets forever, Kyiv doesn't have the manpower to route them even if they can defend themselves. Strategically, this implies Russia can merely endure some local pain and make permanent territorial gains. In 10 years, this war might be like Afghanistan or Iraq, something that '55-75 demographic' watches on the news but otherwise everyone else is busy on TikTok - which is what Putin wants. He can definitely win the war of attribution because he has a much longer frame view of things, and is willing to pay the cost of 'No Volvos or Starbucks for 25 years'. Other nations that play the long-tame (like China) are watching.

defen 5y ago

Who is going to enforce terms like "Russians aren't allowed to use this"? Russian courts?

jollybean 5y ago
We don't need courts, we just don't give them the stuff, and pressure those trying to 'sneak them stuff' to stop. Much like Aribus/Boeing is telling anyone that is thinking of providing parts and service to those 100 Jets that they are cutoff if they do that.