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> Tell me where the meat was born, raised, and slaughtered. This! Can't agree more. In modern economies, something might be a product of few dozen countries (b

> Tell me where the meat was born, raised, and slaughtered. This! Can't agree more. In modern economies, something might be a product of few dozen countries (beef born there, raised here, slaughtered somewhere else, beans from that place and pepper imported from another, there's a can and paper label design and printing too, and of course a labor to make those into the final product - which might be distributed), so trying to argue about things as having single country of origin is just wrong and archaic.

joelfried 5y ago
I appreciate why it feels archaic writ large, but for folks who want to know the animals in question were raised in a certain way (free of antibiotics, to pick something clear), I for one feel more confident that the label is being honest if the meat was also raised here.
thesimon 5y ago
>beef born there, raised here, slaughtered somewhere else Not rare to see here in Germany. I have seen it for Austrian-grown chicken to be slaughtered in Germany, similarly Argentinian beef is sometimes cut in the Netherlands. EU regulation stipulates: > The term ‘origin’ should be reserved for meat obtained from animals born, reared and slaughtered, and therefore wholly obtained, in one single Member State or third country. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1590671117261&uri=CELEX:32013R1337 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=15906711...) UK law requires country of birth, country of rearing, country of slaughter and country of cutting to be on the product. Slightly surprising that US consumers don't get so much information.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  I think there are big quality control issues with shipping away cattle to other countries for slaughter as well. Your ability to control the final product is much reduced compared to when everything is regulated locally. I remember reading about a company importing crab and fish from china that on analysis found out what they were receiving wasn’t necessarily what they ordered, and the Chinese themselves were officially importing the food from canada, but what was shipped out to customers wasn’t necessarily that just labelled as that. Murky waters, hard to control compared to everything being domestic.
  - KennyBlanken 5y ago
    A massive amount of seafood in the US is intentionally mislabeled, which leads to a lot of problems because tilapia, for example, causes upset stomachs for a lot of people.
    - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
      Not sure how that works. 'Tilapia' isn't a fish. Its 'any whitefish'
      - phonypc 5y ago
        Tilapia certainly does not refer to any whitefish. If tilapia is not "a fish" then neither are salmon or tuna or probably a dozen other common names.
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        JoeAltmaier 5y ago
        Tilapia certainly does refer to (almost) any whitefish. Over 100 different fish are called 'tilapia'. Because their flesh is white, and they cannot pass as a more valuable fish. For comparison, there are 8 species of salmon. We eat maybe two of them.
        Turing_Machine 5y ago
        > Over 100 different fish are called 'tilapia' All of which are cichlids. That's a long way away from "any whitefish". "Whitefish" most commonly refers to cod and pollock, not tilapia. And we eat every species of salmon, not just two.
        phonypc 5y ago
        Most of those 100 fish are not eaten at any great scale. If you ask someone for examples of whitefish, you're going to get answers like cod, haddock, pollock etc. None of which are tilapia. Tilapia arguably isn't even an example of whitefish.
batch12 5y ago
Sure. I can get onboard with that. In this case, the company should not claim that the beef is a product of a single country. The issue I think is that sellers realize that people don't always want food shipped from halfway around the world-- so they obfuscate.

joelfried 5y ago

I appreciate why it feels archaic writ large, but for folks who want to know the animals in question were raised in a certain way (free of antibiotics, to pick something clear), I for one feel more confident that the label is being honest if the meat was also raised here.

thesimon 5y ago

>beef born there, raised here, slaughtered somewhere else Not rare to see here in Germany. I have seen it for Austrian-grown chicken to be slaughtered in Germany, similarly Argentinian beef is sometimes cut in the Netherlands. EU regulation stipulates: > The term ‘origin’ should be reserved for meat obtained from animals born, reared and slaughtered, and therefore wholly obtained, in one single Member State or third country. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1590671117261&uri=CELEX:32013R1337 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=15906711...) UK law requires country of birth, country of rearing, country of slaughter and country of cutting to be on the product. Slightly surprising that US consumers don't get so much information.

LegitShady 5y ago
I think there are big quality control issues with shipping away cattle to other countries for slaughter as well. Your ability to control the final product is much reduced compared to when everything is regulated locally. I remember reading about a company importing crab and fish from china that on analysis found out what they were receiving wasn’t necessarily what they ordered, and the Chinese themselves were officially importing the food from canada, but what was shipped out to customers wasn’t necessarily that just labelled as that. Murky waters, hard to control compared to everything being domestic.
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  A massive amount of seafood in the US is intentionally mislabeled, which leads to a lot of problems because tilapia, for example, causes upset stomachs for a lot of people.
  - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
    Not sure how that works. 'Tilapia' isn't a fish. Its 'any whitefish'
    - phonypc 5y ago
      Tilapia certainly does not refer to any whitefish. If tilapia is not "a fish" then neither are salmon or tuna or probably a dozen other common names.
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      - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
        Tilapia certainly does refer to (almost) any whitefish. Over 100 different fish are called 'tilapia'. Because their flesh is white, and they cannot pass as a more valuable fish. For comparison, there are 8 species of salmon. We eat maybe two of them.
        Turing_Machine 5y ago
        > Over 100 different fish are called 'tilapia' All of which are cichlids. That's a long way away from "any whitefish". "Whitefish" most commonly refers to cod and pollock, not tilapia. And we eat every species of salmon, not just two.
        phonypc 5y ago
        Most of those 100 fish are not eaten at any great scale. If you ask someone for examples of whitefish, you're going to get answers like cod, haddock, pollock etc. None of which are tilapia. Tilapia arguably isn't even an example of whitefish.

batch12 5y ago

Sure. I can get onboard with that. In this case, the company should not claim that the beef is a product of a single country. The issue I think is that sellers realize that people don't always want food shipped from halfway around the world-- so they obfuscate.