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>But how do you fund higher guaranteed social security? Did we forget we just changed the corporate tax rate from 35% to like 22%? We stop taxing self employe
by eatsyourtacos 5y ago
>But how do you fund higher guaranteed social security?
Did we forget we just changed the corporate tax rate from 35% to like 22%?
We stop taxing self employed people social security/medicare after about ~140k.. where many crazy rich people make WAY more than that, so they could continue to contribute a hell of a lot of income.
We have an insanity of tax loopholes.. including long-term capital gains which just incentivize the ponzi scheme further.
>You're saying stocks are a Ponzi scheme, but as a solution you're proposing something that constantly needs more people paying in money or it will collapse... sounds like a Ponzi scheme.
Do you consider current social security a ponzi scheme? All I'm talking is extending it.. tax people more, more money goes in, more money can go out.
I call the markets a ponzi scheme because it's literally fake valuation to a degree. I'm not saying fake as in fraudulent at all- don't get me wrong. But if the entire market valuation is let's say $1 trillion. If the S&P goes up 1% on the day, that entire valuation (and let's say the sum of peoples retirement, even though it's not nearly this simple) goes up $10 billion. Then the market drops 10% and all the sudden people lost $100 billion in retirement.
Money can literally disappear in that kind of system. That's why I call it a ponzi scheme. It only works if people keep making it go up.
Social security doesn't work like that.
- awillen 5y agoI'm honestly not sure you understand what a Ponzi scheme is - it's when people at the bottom have to keep putting more money in to pay out people at the top. As you put it "tax people more, more money goes in, more money can go out." Exactly - you have to keep continually getting money from the people at the bottom (employees) via taxes to pay out to the people at the top (retirees). If you stop getting new money in the bottom, it collapses. If it collapses, people at the bottom get screwed. There is no way for a person at the bottom to make money unless more people come in beneath them. You're describing fluctuations in the market as making it a Ponzi scheme, and you say "Money can literally disappear in that kind of system." That is incorrect. Money doesn't disappear when stock prices go down - stocks prices change based on people buying and selling. If you buy stock, your money gets transferred to the person selling it. Money doesn't disappear.